Do we even like programming?

[damasterjo]

I was sitting at my computer the other day about to work on my game and i thought to myself... hum.. I really dont feel like doing this, do i even like doing it? I dont know. Am I the only one who has like progragrammed something awesome and then the computer locks up and I would not dare sit and take another 2 hours to code it.
Humm... I think I llike it, maybe there are nicotine waves that are sent through VB that just suck me in to where I cant stop.
Well they do a good job.

[RobDog888]

Your probably just experiencing burnout. If you feel that you would program for the rest of your life for free just for the love of it then your a true programmer.

[GaryMazzone]

I do this for a living and for fun. I volunter (sp?) my time and expertise to no profit groups to do programming for them in my area. So I guess I love it.

[damasterjo]

I think the results of my coding keep me going...

[RobDog888]

Or like Gary is saying, if money was not an issue, would you still program 40+ hours a week. I would and do something like 80 hours a week programming and posting.

[damasterjo]

i would if i had a reason too

[thegreatone]

I must admit i like doing it, just i can never find things to do...

[sevenhalo]

I've gotten like that a couple times recently. It always happens to me when I get stuck at a mental block. After about 30 minutes, it really sets in and I start thinking about other things I might be good at. Then I realize that I'm not good at anything else, go outside, smoke a cigarette and get back to work.

(9/10 if you leave your computer for 10 minutes when you have a problem, the second you sit back down; it hits you)

[RobDog888]

(9/10 if you leave your computer for 10 minutes when you have a problem, the second you sit back down; it hits you)

Dont let your computer hit you. If it does, beat it down so it knows whos the Boss.

[Valleysboy1978]

I have had times, actualy had one this morning, when I just could not figure it out, got frustrated and wondered why I was programming for a living. Then it worked and I remembered why I sometimes enjoy it, when it finally works

However this is not a life job, sooner or later I want to head into Senior Management as that is where the big money is (about £55k a year here, that's about 100k USD)

[sevenhalo]

I've tossed around the idea of senior management, but it's too much data modelling for me. That's the one aspect of programming that I loathe.

My ideal job is interfaces, remoting, security and business objects. You can keep your design and product support for all I care.

I'd loooooooove to be a director in security and penetration. Unfortunately, the jobs I've gotten and the direction I've been going isn't helping. .Net is a little too high level for the programming I really want to do.

[Jacob Roman]

Your probably just experiencing burnout. If you feel that you would program for the rest of your life for free just for the love of it then your a true programmer.

More like coders block.

[grilkip]

bloders c***

[techgnome]

I don't know how many times I've been like this too (burned out). I even went 2 years one time w/o doing any kind of coding... I was that burned out.... Now a days, it only seems to happen in my spare projects and not so much at work. You can try to force yourself through it, but you run the risk of resnting programing even more.... or it may work, who knows. You can also try leaving it for a while and do something else (if it's possible).

-tg

[thegreatone]

TG, are you aware your MS Profile actually has spelling errors ?
Look for Vusual Basic

[techgnome]

TG, are you aware your MS Profile actually has spelling errors ?
Look for Vusual Basic

This is why I'm a programer and not an English teacher....

-tg

[penagate]

Why is it whenever I follow a link to a page on the MVP site it asks me to log in :-S

I can't see any MVP profiles or anything.

[GaryMazzone]

One place I work the QA testers all told me the same thing... They knew when I programed something because of the misspellings. I just said I don't need to spell it right just the same.

[frix199]

well im 14 and i program...
i think that means that i don't make it for living or anything...
i make anly freewares cause i just love vb.NET...

i don't know bout u that live from vb.NET, but i do it cause i simply love it!

cheers!

[damasterjo]

yeah i wish sometimes a small company, like a lawn mower place, or handyman, or even the corner wing shop, would ask me to make them a custom software program. Cause I would like to do it, and know I could. Then I would have a good reason, but for now there is no desire or anything to move me to learn more than the game programming aspect. But whatever...

(9/10 if you leave your computer for 10 minutes when you have a problem, the second you sit back down; it hits you)

man isnt that true. Ill be listen at church and then WHAM!... someone give me a pen so I can wright this down...
Always so exciting when you figure something out!

[thegreatone]

yeah i wish sometimes a small company, like a lawn mower place, or handyman, or even the corner wing shop, would ask me to make them a custom software program. Cause I would like to do it, and know I could. Then I would have a good reason, but for now there is no desire or anything to move me to learn more than the game programming aspect. But whatever...

man isnt that true. Ill be listen at church and then WHAM!... someone give me a pen so I can wright this down...
Always so exciting when you figure something out!

It happened to me last night, i thought "yes, thats how i'll do it, i'll code it in the morning" guess what... I totally forgot what i thought up :/
And then i woke up feeling totally crap

[damasterjo]

It happened to me last night, i thought "yes, thats how i'll do it, i'll code it in the morning" guess what... I totally forgot what i thought up :/
And then i woke up feeling totally crap

I truly am sad for you, those are the days you wish your computer was capabal of AI

[sevenhalo]

It's happened a few times to me at the pub. I'll have a couple beers, start to relax about 4 pints later I'll figure it out.

That's when the fun starts. 8:00pm half drunk, weekday espionage missions to sneak back to my cubicle and fix the program before anyone sees me.

[thegreatone]

I truly am sad for you, those are the days you wish your computer was capabal of AI

Oh but mine is capable of AAI

Artificial Artificial Intelligence

I still have this stupid headache... Imma set my screen refreesh even higher i think, maybe that will help.

[wossname]

Crises of confidence are common in coders.

I've had many in my time and these days I'm more into programing than I've ever been.

I guess you just get to a point where you can stop thinking about those litle bugs that you alwas tripped over as a newbie andsail through even gargantuan tasks in a lunchhour. I always work my lunches too

True coders don't stop for luxuries like food.

[thegreatone]

Crises of confidence are common in coders.

I've had many in my time and these days I'm more into programing than I've ever been.

I guess you just get to a point where you can stop thinking about those litle bugs that you alwas tripped over as a newbie andsail through even gargantuan tasks in a lunchhour. I always work my lunches too

True coders don't stop for luxuries like food.

Does that explain why you can afford... PINK raybans ?

We're not allowed to work through lunch, my stomach tells me otherwise...

[damasterjo]

nothing stop food from reaching my stomach

[wossname]

Oh I still eat, just during compile time. Which is currently about 18 second chunks.

[damasterjo]

does it take a long time to compile asm?

[si_the_geek]

It happened to me last night, i thought "yes, thats how i'll do it, i'll code it in the morning" guess what... I totally forgot what i thought up :/
And then i woke up feeling totally crap

I get that too, but have found the (rather sad) solution - leave pen & paper by the bed so you can write enough to remember the idea. (in the pub, send yourself a text message, or set a reminder on your phone).

I'm still waiting for the solution to one issue to come to me... but I'll just keep working around it for now! If that doesn't work, I'll have to spend more time in the pub

[thegreatone]

I get that too, but have found the (rather sad) solution - leave pen & paper by the bed so you can write enough to remember the idea. (in the pub, send yourself a text message, or set a reminder on your phone).

I'm still waiting for the solution to one issue to come to me... but I'll just keep working around it for now! If that doesn't work, I'll have to spend more time in the pub

I like the excuses that brings with it...

"Just going down the pub for some inspiration "

[sevenhalo]

I've tried to leave myself recorded messages before. They usually end up something like (leaving out the slurs):

Me: "Ok ok... You gotta remember to do this." (I always speak to myself in the third person when I'm drunk)
Me: "On your computer, right? Make sure you..."
Fellow Drunkard: "Hey, who you talking to!?!"
Me: "Dude shhh, I'm leaving a message."
Fellow Drunkard: "OMG, are you calling <insert fat girl from last weekend's name>!?"
Me: "pssh, wha? No man..."
Fellow Drunkard: "Haha, ya you are!!"
Me: "C'mon, why you gotta be like that"
*End message*
*Sneak off to bathroom*
*Call fat girl*

[si_the_geek]

That's why I prefer text/reminders - as long as you type a few keywords in quickly you don't forget (but may still run off to call the girl from last weekend )

[wossname]

Me: "Ok ok... You gotta remember to do this." (I always speak to myself in the third person when I'm drunk)

Thats actually second person, but we'll forgive you since you were drunk at the time.


(3rd person would have been "Ok ok... sevenhalo's gotta remember to do this.")

(1st person would have been "Ok ok... I gotta remember to do this.")




Jesus I'm such a pedantic *******

[Wally Pipp]

the only thing I can remember from a pub crawl is "how did I get home?"

[Sgt-Peppa]

...and who is that girl beside me?

[FishGuy]

When your drunk go home on the beer scooter, it's a ride you never remember but somehow you just jump on and the next thing you remember your at home.

[szlamany]

Why is it whenever I follow a link to a page on the MVP site it asks me to log in :-S

I can't see any MVP profiles or anything.

Because you have a PASSPORT login - I'm guessing???

[penagate]

I do, but it doesn't let me log in because, hey presto, I'm not an MVP

The net effect is I have no way of seeing the pages.

[szlamany]

Well - in reality we all have to fix our links anyway - we are not allowed to link to our personal pages like that - but instead to the "overall index" page...