Yes I seen that way as well, But now have done away with the other timer since it really doesnt need to be there since All I am trying to do is get the diff between my current start time and the endtime
txtTotal.Text = txtStop.Text - txtStart.Text
this didnt work and I tried to use this part of your code here
Label1 = Format(StopTime - StartTime, "hh:mm:ss")
and got 00:00:00 for the diff

Not that your code doesnt work as a stopwatch but now all I need is a timediff instead of the whole stopwatch scenario
thanks though and I rated your post as helpful since it will indeed help with another Part of app I workin on