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Nov 14th, 2005, 05:48 PM
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Nov 15th, 2005, 05:09 PM
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Re: Average of a random variable
I haven't gone all the way through it myself, but offhand can you not do the following:
1) Substitute x = t - t0 into the integral
2) Split the result into two, an (x) part + a (t0) part
3) The first part is recognition - the derivative of the exponential gives you (more or less) the thing you're integrating so the integral is just the exponential.
4) The second part you could multiply by x (to give the same as the first part) and then divide by x - solve by parts.
Maybe you have gotten this far and run into trouble, but that looks to be the way to go at first glance.
zaza
Last edited by zaza; Nov 15th, 2005 at 05:13 PM.
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Nov 16th, 2005, 03:47 AM
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Re: Average of a random variable
Thanks Zaza. I am going to explore your suggested steps and I will share results when I finish (or when I get blocked...)
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Nov 17th, 2005, 01:49 PM
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Re: Average of a random variable
For the time being, I gave up the constant t0 (which can be recovered easily at any time) and changed variables the following way:

Then I picked up the Integrator http://integrals.wolfram.com/ , entered this expression and got the answer showed below.

And I am now blocked! I don´t understand the meaning of "Gamma-brackets-two expressions separated by a comma", and I don’t know how to proceed. Any help?
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Nov 17th, 2005, 02:20 PM
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Re: Average of a random variable
Did you try doing it the way I suggested? The exponentials are much easier to take care of.
zaza
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Nov 26th, 2005, 04:44 PM
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Re: Average of a random variable
Hi Zaza.
I have been away from home for sometime. Thank you for your last message. I studied carefully your suggested steps, but I couldn’t see any advantage in replacing variables (t – t0) by (x), because (t) still remains in the equation. And because I gave up the value t0, I would rather have your comments on the transformed expression which appears in my latest post and on the meaning of "Gamma-brackets-two expressions separated by a comma" shown in “The Wolfram integrator”. I suspect that it will be now easier to proceed. Thanks in advance.
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Nov 28th, 2005, 05:11 PM
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Re: Average of a random variable
Assuming I understand your question here is a discussion on analysis of the Weibull function:
http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath122/kmath122.htm
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Nov 29th, 2005, 06:53 PM
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Re: Average of a random variable
Jim,
This site doesn´t provide the answer to my problem.
Thanks anyway.
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Nov 30th, 2005, 11:04 AM
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Re: Average of a random variable
I think that this may be the incomplete gamma function.
This may be leading back in a circle...
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Dec 1st, 2005, 10:39 AM
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Re: Average of a random variable
Thanks Zaza. I am definitively unable to proceed but I am still hopeful that someone ends up bringing a "brilliant" solution one of these days. Fortunately and in the mean time, I have the alternative of the numerical method which is quite accurate - too heavy though.
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Dec 1st, 2005, 01:42 PM
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Re: Average of a random variable
Hm, I do wish you'd try it in the way I suggested.
Substituting x=t-t0, dx=dt
f(x) = (a/b) (x/b)^(a-1) e^-((x/b)^a)
You can see that:
d/dy e^-(y^a) = -a y^(a-1) e^-(y^a)
and if you substitute y = x/b then you get -f(x) above. Hence this gets a lot easier to integrate because it is what is known as a Recognition Integral.
Doing the integral, you integrate f(t).t.dt, which becomes f(x).(x+t0).dx integrated between -t0 and tp-t0. This you split into two integrals:
f(x).x.dx and f(x).t0.dx
The latter just gets you -t0.e^-(x/b)^a whereas the former you have to integrate by parts.
Integration by parts of the function u.dv/dx gives you:
[uv] - Int(v.du/dx)
so if you choose u=x and dv/dx = f(x), then the whole thing will disappear in two steps - the first gets rid of the u part (differentiates to 1) and the second leaves you integrating the exponential.
Then evaluate the lot between -t0 and tp-t0, and you're there.
Unless I've made a mistake somewhere...
zaza
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Dec 14th, 2005, 12:49 PM
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Re: Average of a random variable
Zaza,
I feel miserable because I tried unsuccessfully all the help that you provided for a few days and I am actually unable to reach a conclusion. I am not that proficient in integration and I just can’t move any further. Could you please show me a final expression (together with an example)?
Alfa = 3;
Beta = 1500;
t0 = 500;
tp = 2000;
I know that the correct answer is 1539.
Thanks.
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Dec 19th, 2005, 02:22 PM
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