Is anyone else having this problem? The page will load until the top part and nothing appears, the ad on the top right side won't appear, and the links on the top left side won't either. And the page stops.
Well for what it's worth I have blocked the .doubleclick server (au.ad.doubleclick.net) using my HOSTS file - and I have never had this problem, so that might support the idea that it is caused by an ad coming from that server.
You will not attempt to access any protected sections of the sites or Forums, nor make use of any hacks, cracks, bug exploits, etc. to bypass or modify the features of the forum software at any Jupitermedia site.
Ditto - I wouldn't state you are blocking ads (or show pictures of you blocking ads), or you are basically admitting to violating the above point in the AUP (yes, Ads are a feature of this site that allow for this site to exist).
The end result is you could be banned from the forum.
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Brad!
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Sure, but are the ads part of the "forum software" ? And none of us are using "hacks", "cracks", or "bug exploits" - I don't feel anything mentioned in this thread is a direct violation of the AUP.
You will not attempt to access any protected sections of the sites or Forums, nor make use of any hacks, cracks, bug exploits, etc. to bypass or modify the features of the forum software at any Jupitermedia site.
This means that I will not modify the actual forum software you are running. ie it means I will not hack the forums and remove the ads.
Removing the ads client side does not violate this rule, for I am not modifying or bypassing the forum software physcially server side (that is covered under "at any Jupitermedia site"). It would have the same effect as if I closed my eyes when the page first loads and scrolls down...
Telling us that we can't block the ads client side, is like telling us what we can/can't do with our own computer. Doesn't work, as its not your property (the content is (code would be copyright to their respetive creators I would assume), but the computer isn't). And last time I checked, I can do anything to my computer I want to, including puting a virus on it, because it belongs to me (but I wouldn't because I want to use my computer ).
Now, if you want to try and enforce that, you should put something like:
"By accessing this site you agree not to prevent advertisments from being displayed on your computer termanial". Which would fall under the protery clause I had discussed above. (What's mine is mine, what's yours is yours).
Even then, your ads are just html code. Which fall under free speech, so you ignore what you don't like. In real life, if you see someone you don't like (who also may be annoying) And block them from your everyday life? (to prevent stress and unnesseciary anger)
Maybe I should be a lawyer when I grow up, instead of a programmer ....
(PS. What's the link to Robdogg's spell check again )
Now..why did we even get off topic in the first place?
Edit:
Gotta know the law if I'm going to break it.
Also most important:
That rule is sort of more interpted than specific, in this case. I can say one thing, you can say another and both can be right and wrong at the same time.
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You will, if asked by a representative of the Forums, cease posting any content, and/or links to content, deemed offensive, objectionable, or in poor taste by the staff of the Forums.
We are simply asking that you do not say that you are blocking the ads on this site; Jupiter Media rely on them to keep the site running and therefore have every right to deny you access if they wish.
Might I also point out that the forum software comes in two parts, the server-side and the client-side. Although the look of the site is left up to the browser to interpret and what you look at as you rightly pointed out is entirely your choice, modifying, removing or manipulating any of the content is in effect violating that rule..
You know how hacks work. Everybody doesn't think them up themselves. Their use relies on the exploits being spread. For you to say that you DIDN'T see an ad, shows other people HOW not to see an ad.
We want people to see the ads, whether or not they pay attention to them.
We are simply asking that you do not say that you are blocking the ads on this site; Jupiter Media rely on them to keep the site running and therefore have every right to deny you access if they wish.
Might I also point out that the forum software comes in two parts, the server-side and the client-side. Although the look of the site is left up to the browser to interpret and what you look at as you rightly pointed out is entirely your choice, modifying, removing or manipulating any of the content is in effect violating that rule..
I think that rule of stating that we were blocking ads falls outside the relam of that such rule, we are helping to try and solve a possible problem that another user (and maybe vbforums.com -> jupitermedia) is having with their system. Thus allowing that end user to slove any problems that he/she has wrong including disabling ad-blocking software (which would make you feel better no? ).
(Telling us we can't do such a thing, is telling us to troubleshoot a possible problem, without the details. Its like a person calling tech support and saying that their computer doesn't work. Do you see now why we would post such details if we knew it wouldn't help discover the solution to this problem, rather than implemnt us in a violation of a rule?)
Second, ahhh, but I am not doing any of that. You forget that the ad is still there in its entirety. It's just not visible to me. As far as manipulating goes, I did not manipulate any code, for its still there. It just doesn't show up on my client. Same effect would be if I did it telnet fashion and only looked at the html code. I still wouldn't see the ad, because its a flash ad.
@dglienna
Your right, I complety agree with you. I would ask the same, if I had a website like this.
It's not that we are telling people how not to display ads, rather what our experience with the site is like along with specs of what we use.
I just wanted to express my opinions on why that bothered me (and offer backup and explanitions/reasons on why I felt such a way). Stuff like this just hits my buttons...
Sorry to any administrators that may be mad or unhappy, but we were only trying to help!
Btw, unchecking the option of obj-tab in FireFox helped. I haven't faced the problem again. Apparently, obj-tab interfered in the way the flash ad was being displayed.
I think that rule of stating that we were blocking ads falls outside the relam of that such rule, we are helping to try and solve a possible problem that another user (and maybe vbforums.com -> jupitermedia) is having with their system. Thus allowing that end user to slove any problems that he/she has wrong including disabling ad-blocking software (which would make you feel better no? ).
(Telling us we can't do such a thing, is telling us to troubleshoot a possible problem, without the details. Its like a person calling tech support and saying that their computer doesn't work. Do you see now why we would post such details if we knew it wouldn't help discover the solution to this problem, rather than implemnt us in a violation of a rule?)
Second, ahhh, but I am not doing any of that. You forget that the ad is still there in its entirety. It's just not visible to me. As far as manipulating goes, I did not manipulate any code, for its still there. It just doesn't show up on my client. Same effect would be if I did it telnet fashion and only looked at the html code. I still wouldn't see the ad, because its a flash ad.
@dglienna
Your right, I complety agree with you. I would ask the same, if I had a website like this.
It's not that we are telling people how not to display ads, rather what our experience with the site is like along with specs of what we use.
I just wanted to express my opinions on why that bothered me (and offer backup and explanitions/reasons on why I felt such a way). Stuff like this just hits my buttons...
Sorry to any administrators that may be mad or unhappy, but we were only trying to help!
Hack, prod, and play around with it all you want. At the end of it all, the forums need ad support to keep running, and we can all do our part by letting those ads show up on our screens. Not much harm done, and even if it's annoying, you get used to it after a while. At least we're not like codeguru forums.
Hack, prod, and play around with it all you want. At the end of it all, the forums need ad support to keep running, and we can all do our part by letting those ads show up on our screens. Not much harm done, and even if it's annoying, you get used to it after a while. At least we're not like codeguru forums.
Acctually, have you ever been to one of those sites with nothing but ads. My computer slows to a crawl. Big harm.
Don't even get me started with that ad thing that replaces keywords after page the has loaded with revenlent text ads (such as if someone puts server in their post), this script would replace server with a url and a pop up box (about some company that is selling servers) whenever you hover over it. Those make me cry also .
(Granted its just one ad here, it's just that I have gotten fed up with ads. I mean how would you feel if almost every email account you ever had was spammed with ads? You would want to get back at them ...Plus I was also scammed by a ad surfing company.)
Some perspective....
A first analogy - If there weren't ads, there wouldn't be television.
Or at least not at the price you currently pay to see shows.
By having ads, you are able to view shows on television freely.
An second analogy -
Telling someone how to block ads is like telling someone how to sneak into a movie theater without paying. Telling someone how to block ads while on the forum itself, is like telling someone how to sneak into a movie while you are standing in front of the theater owner. You can bet the theater owner isn't going to be happy.....
A third analogy -
If someone is having trouble with their credit card, then it may be that they simply don't get to see the movie because they can't pay for it.
On an even more off topic note -
Might I suggest care be considered when using the phrase "free speech". Yes, in America we have freedom of speech, but we also have to suffer the consequences of what we say. If you yell fire in a crowded theater (which freedom of speech allows you to do), then you are still likely to go to jail as a result of what happens.....
Freedom of speech doesn't allow you to come into my house (private property) and say things I don't like. If you do, I can have you escorted out of my house. Similarly, although forums (and most Web sites) have public access, that doesn't mean they are public property. (I misconception many people have)
And with those comments, I'll stop rambling other than to say that I am not a lawyer and would not want to be a lawyer. I base the above comments and analogies on professional experience and on discussions with those that are or work directly with legal counsel.
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Originally Posted by mendhak
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(the content is (code would be copyright to their respetive creators I would assume), but the computer isn't). And last time I checked, I can do anything to my computer I want to, including puting a virus on it, because it belongs to me (but I wouldn't because I want to use my computer 
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