Is Paris burning?

[Valleysboy1978]

Unfortunately the with the increasing efficiency of technology it has become easier and easier to kill another. As for how this will stop? I don't think it can be, there will always be elements in the population that want things given to them on a plate, and others that consider themselves superior so tension between various groups is inevitable. Such is the way of humans trying to discern our place in the world

[Shaggy Hiker]

There will be plenty of people out to change the world, or die trying, too. Those may be the most dangerous types, as there is no effective deterrent to somebody who is REALLY willing to die. What do you do with them, gve them life?

[yrwyddfa]

What I don't think is a good idea is to bring a large number of immigrants into a country without assimilating them.

I missed this.

The French actually believe in assimiliation and it's prevalent in their politics. They do not believe in multiculturalism.

[Valleysboy1978]

What has really infuriated me is they want funding from the EU to pay for it!!

[yrwyddfa]

. . . they already have the funding from the EU to pay for it.

[moeur]

The French actually believe in assimiliation and it's prevalent in their politics.

That may be what they believe, but for some reason it is not happening.

[yrwyddfa]

I agree.

I think assimiliation will never work.

If you do not wish for people of other nations to live in your country then you should close your borders.

The only other option is multiculturalism.

[moeur]

I think assimiliation will never work.

It worked very well in this country around the turn of the last century when immigration peaked at about 9 million per decade; a rate we easily surpass today. Today the immigrants are less willing to assimilate and we are less willing to require them to do so. And I think that the problems in France are just one indication that that is not a good thing to let happen.

[yrwyddfa]

You have a good point there. However, times have changed. People are now far more aware of their rights, and their priveleges, and are far more willing to undertake the necessary to uphold them

Rather like arming bears . . .

[Shaggy Hiker]

Assimilation works best if it is forced on people. That's not such a happy thought, but consider that the folks who don't assimilate into American culture often do so because they don't NEED to. As long as you have enclaves of a different culture, there is a place for a person to go where they don't need to assimilate in any way.

For instance, why learn English if there are parts of Miami where it isn't spoken? Not only does it do someone in that area little good, but they need to be able to speak cuban spanish to be able to communicate. A situation like that actually works against assimilation, because the assimilated individual may be less able to exist in the community they are in.

It may be that if you were to put a small drop of one group into a large pool, it assimilates quite nicely because they need to be able to function in the community. However, once immigration of one group rises to a certain level, the immigrant community can provide all the services to the new arrival, and there is no longer a pressure for assimilation.

[honeybee]

Ignorance is power.

Ignorance is bliss, not power. And I truly believe that, the more I learn the more I wish I hadn't learnt it, so I tend to ignore it.

So, just because two kids were running from the police and were electrocuted in the process means people can start rioting all over the country? If they were innocent wouldn't they be let away by the police/courts? Or has France gone the US way in detaining people without charges indefinitely?

I also read vehicles are routinely burnt in France? No kidding? Must be an awful place to live in then...

It would be interesting to find out if the root cause of this problem was the inability of the French to induct the migrated population into its mainstream, or there is something fundamentally wrong with the migrated community. Sadly the truth will never come out because it's a political issue now.

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[Valleysboy1978]

. . . they already have the funding from the EU to pay for it.

No way!!
This proves that the EU is just for France and Germany

[moeur]

Assimilation works best if it is forced on people. That's not such a happy thought, but...

Shaggy! You're sounding more and more like a conservative.

[moeur]

This proves that the EU is just for France and Germany

Ha.. this has always been interchangable in conversation - EU / France and Germany.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Shaggy! You're sounding more and more like a conservative.

OUCH!!!

However, there once was a time when that was respectable.

I hadn't heard that cars were routinely burnt in France, why couldn't they be civilized....like this country.....



.....where cars are routinely....put up on blocks in Kentucky.

[demotivater]

Or like India - then honeybee would be happy.

[FishGuy]

Ignorance is bliss, not power. And I truly believe that, the more I learn the more I wish I hadn't learnt it, so I tend to ignore it.

So, just because two kids were running from the police and were electrocuted in the process means people can start rioting all over the country? If they were innocent wouldn't they be let away by the police/courts? Or has France gone the US way in detaining people without charges indefinitely?

I also read vehicles are routinely burnt in France? No kidding? Must be an awful place to live in then...

It would be interesting to find out if the root cause of this problem was the inability of the French to induct the migrated population into its mainstream, or there is something fundamentally wrong with the migrated community. Sadly the truth will never come out because it's a political issue now.

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They wernt electrocuted i.e tazered by police I think they were killed hiding in a sub station or something!

[Valleysboy1978]

Indeed they were. Supposedly they fled the police into an electricity substation and was promptly electrocuted. The rioters simply used this tragic incident as an excuse to start some trouble. Pathetic

[honeybee]

They wernt electrocuted i.e tazered by police I think they were killed hiding in a sub station or something!

I didn't say they were electrocuted by the police, I just said they were electrocuted.

Well, if they were innocent, why were they running from the police? And if the police chased them on some suspicion and the suspects died during the chase, how does the blame fall on the police?

And does France have a practice of burning vehicles as reported in news?

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[Valleysboy1978]

Indeed honeybee. Imagine the situation:

The police speak to the two youths who instantly make a run for it. The police don't know why they are running but it's obvious it's something highly suspect. The youths run into a substation and are electrocuted. I blame the rioters as the police were obviously just doing their job and were not responsible for the accident.

Burning vehicles? Supposedly it's pretty common but not on this scale. I think it would normally be quite common in most cities with poor suburbs

[honeybee]

You have a good point there. However, times have changed. People are now far more aware of their rights, and their priveleges, and are far more willing to undertake the necessary to uphold them

Rather like arming bears . . .

You know what? The more you make people aware of their rights, they tend to forget their duties

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[Valleysboy1978]

Indeed. Responsibility and honour seem to be very rare qualities these days

[mendhak]

I just came back from Paris and nothing was burning there anymore.

[NotLKH]

Ate out of the mini-fridge then?

[yrwyddfa]

I just came back from Paris and nothing was burning there anymore.

Apart from the @rses after losing the Olympics . . . .

[Valleysboy1978]