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Sep 15th, 2005, 03:16 PM
#1
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Re: Integration help
Did MathCAD provide the same solution as Mathematica? Knowing the solution you might be able to work backwards to discover what the right substitution is.
VBAhack
Last edited by VBAhack; Sep 15th, 2005 at 07:37 PM.
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Sep 15th, 2005, 08:59 PM
#2
Fanatic Member
Re: Integration help
This is an interesting one. I did some looking in my old (really old) calculus book, and this problem seems to fit a class where the substitution u = tan 1/2 x might be useful. I did some playing around and got it to:
2du/(a(1-u^2) - 2u)
but couln't get any further.
VBAhack
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Sep 19th, 2005, 09:52 AM
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Re: Integration help
 Originally Posted by VBAhack
This is an interesting one. I did some looking in my old (really old) calculus book, and this problem seems to fit a class where the substitution u = tan 1/2 x might be useful.
VBAhack
This is actually the way to go. From
u = tan(x/2)
Some elementary trig gives:
x = 2 arctan(u)
dx = 2du/(1 + u2)
sin(x) = 2u/(1 + u2)
cos(x) = (1 - u2)/(1 + u2)
From this you arrive at this simpler integral:
2du / [a(1 - u2) - 2u]
Hopefully you know how to deal with integrands having polynomials in the denominator. Otherwise let me know and I'll be back to you.
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Sep 19th, 2005, 02:27 PM
#4
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Re: Integration help
Yep, you came up with the same result I did.
VBAhack
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Sep 20th, 2005, 01:54 AM
#5
Re: Integration help
 Originally Posted by VBAhack
Yep, you came up with the same result I did.
VBAhack
Yeah, I noticed this afterwards. Actually, I meant to continue the whole derivation from there but was a bit in a hurry so if wy125 or you are interested I can post it.
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Sep 20th, 2005, 02:34 PM
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Sep 21st, 2005, 03:25 AM
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Re: Integration help
 Originally Posted by VBAhack
How'd you paste the superscript characters?
To have a text appear as superscript, write: [x]text[/x]
but instead of x write sup: I have to write it as a variable or else it will "do the job" and you won't see what's inside [ ] but the word "text" as superscript.
For a subscript, make x=sub
It's quite similar to using e.g. bold text: select some text you're composing, click on the "bold" button and see the tags.
Try it out and use "preview post" to see what it looks like before posting.
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Sep 21st, 2005, 03:46 AM
#8
Re: Integration help
 Originally Posted by VBAhack
krtxmrtz,
I think I have it.
Next, make the following substitution:
y = u + 1/a
This was a clever substitution!
I took a similar but perhaps more complicated path by decomposing the integrand:
2du / (-u2 - 2u +a) = (2 / a) * [1 / (u + p) - 1 / (u + q)] / (p - q)
where
p = (1 + sqrt(1 + a2))/a
q= (1 + sqrt(1 - a2))/a
so that the result is immediate:
Integral = [2/a(p - q)]*[ln(u + p) - ln(u + q)] = [2/a(p - q)]*[ln((u + p)/(u + q))] = [2/a(p - q)]*[ln((tan(x/2) + p)/(tan(x/2) + q))]
etc
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