technology

[vb_student]

Hello

I ave heard people mention the .net as a technology, is it an appropriate usage of the terminology?

[RhinoBull]

I'm afraid so.

[baja_yu]

When you look at the vast definitions of the word, you can say that POOP is technology too.
Regarding .Net, I wouldn't call it that (technology I mean. I WOULD call it poop).

[RobDog888]

Moved from Classic VB forum.

[RhinoBull]

When you look at the vast definitions of the word, you can say that POOP is technology too.
Regarding .Net, I wouldn't call it that (technology I mean. I WOULD call it poop).

Interesting opinion baja, but as much as I hate .NOT I will disagree with you.

[RobDog888]

What? .NET is the greatest invention since sliced bread! .NET forever

[Hack]

All programming platforms have their advantages and thier disadvantages. What you use is largely dependent on the needs of your company and what platform you can more easily live with the disadvantages.

Regardless of all that, however, .NET is, as RhinoBull so poetically stated , a technology. Referring to .NET as a technology is a correct use of the term.

[baja_yu]

This is a list of definitions for the word 'technology' http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

Now most people think that technology is just "Technology: computers, Internet, electronics, robots, machines, circuits, etc."

MS .Net can fall under the definition "OPERATING PRINCIPLE" or "A piece of equipment or a technique for performing a particular activity." In the second one the key word is 'TECHNIQUE', so you see, technology doesn't have to be something material.

So my opinion is that MS is not incorrect when they use the terminology, but I'm saying that I wouldn't have used it, and that it is all a part of their mistification of the .Net to make it 'sound' more different and advanced than it really is.

In defens of my example (poop), POOP can fall under this definition "A piece of equipment or a technique for performing a particular activity." What I am reffering to is the 'Hitler moustache'. So, in fact, poop is a piece of equipment for making a Hitler moustache. For those who don't know what that is, look at the second definition on this page:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...&defid=1405719

[Hack]

So my opinion is that MS is not incorrect when they use the terminology, but I'm saying that I wouldn't have used it, and that it is all a part of their mistification of the .Net to make it 'sound' more different and advanced than it really is.

Ok. I will definately give you this!

[vb_student]

ok i will be updating my resume shortly, on the job hunt again

i know C, assembly, VB6(thanks to you guys) and plan to learn VB.net and the .net

how would i list them in my resume
languages: C, VB6, VB.net(hopefully)
platforms: .NET

?

[baja_yu]

My suggestion would be to list them by the level of your expertise (knowledge of the language). So you if you are best at C, list it first and so on.
Under platforms, I would expect something like: Windows 9x, XP, NT; Unix; Linux etc.

[Hack]

I would also list databases that you have worked with and I would list SQL as a language too.

[RhinoBull]

This is a list of definitions for the word 'technology' http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search ...

Any definition is simply "play of words" that can get changed any time - some 70 years ago people didn't know nothing about electronic computing but "technology" existed. The word "technology" probably didn't even exist in vocabulary back then ...
.NET certainly is a new technology - like or not.

[baja_yu]

Like I said, it is not an error on their part to call it that, but as I have the choice to disagree with them, I'm sticking with my 'poop' theory

[mendhak]

I would also list databases that you have worked with and I would list SQL as a language too.

I'd like to know why you think SQL should be listed separately. I mention that I know SQL Server in my resume. Will the prospective employer understand that I know SQL?

[Hack]

I'd like to know why you think SQL should be listed separately. I mention that I know SQL Server in my resume. Will the prospective employer understand that I know SQL?

It depends on the perspective employer. Some will, some won't. That has been my experience.

[mendhak]

Yes, so what do you think?

[szlamany]

SQL is vague - knowing how the server and data behaves is DBA-like...

Knowing T-SQL, the language (or PL-SQL if ORACLE) is specific.

[mendhak]

Yeah, that makes more sense. I've usually mentioned just SQL Server, but only once in a while have shown T-SQL right next to it, instead of it as a language. Bah, its all so confusing.

[vb_student]

thanks for the replies

so i mention SQL as a language, right next to C, VB6, what abotu VB.net

woud my list read c,Assembly(ARM7)VB6,VB.NET,SQL

how do i also mention working with excel objects using VB, i intend to leanr Mapinfo in the near future. where would i mention that?

[RobDog888]

You can state 'Excel Automation' for your skill of working with Excel and VB6.

T-SQL92 is the standard for SQL just like there is a standard for the web's W3C.

[szlamany]

As Rob stated, T-SQL is the language (if MS SQL Server 2000 was what you learned it on, for instance). If you learned it through VB/ACCESS, it's not really T-SQL. When I interview someone I dig into what they write and say to see how really clear they are on the terminology - that says a real lot about experience level.

I've done a lot of hiring in my life, and I'm unsure why you would want to put a language/technology you want to learn on a resume - if you haven't used it already, it doesn't belong on a resume. If someone says they know T-SQL on a resume, I'm going to immediately ask them how many STORED PROCEDURES they have written and how many have been more complicated then a single query.

[RobDog888]

Usually a hands on test will show the true level of knowledge and experience a interviewee has. So if you cant back up the skills listed on your resume, it may back fire on you. If someone is honest, that could be more of a quality trait rather then resume padding as all employeers expect to see on a resume. After all, if you have to learn something that is proprietary to their operations then a certain amount of "training" is to be expected.

[vb_student]

thanks for the replies

would Excel Automation be part of languages(c,VB6)?

i understand what you are saying sz, i am going to put VB6, i feel i have learnt quite a bit (with the help of you guys) to put it on my resume. i will be looking for something better start of the new year, and i am preparing my skill set for then. if i can pick up mapinfo by then, it is going to be on my resume, likewise for SQL.
if not then obviosly it is not going to be on my resume.

in telecoms, my impression is they dont want to see not a software guru but some one who can capture the specifics of a base station and mobile phones into a system level package. so i am going to be quizzed more on the telecoms side and the aded skills would be seen as a plus.

i was going through an XML tutotorial, and i came across a reference to web technologies? what is a web technology? is java a web technology?

[RobDog888]

"Web Technologies" are just languages that you can use to create a website or service, etc. HTML, Java, JavaScript, PHP, Perl, ColdFusion, Dreamweaver, Front Page, etc are all programs or languages that are used to create websites so they are all part of "web technologies"

Excel atuomation could be done in a number of ways: VBA, VB6, VB.NET, C#, etc. If you show them that you have VB6 skills only and you have Excel automation then they can deduce that your automating Excel using VB6. If you know other languages that can be used to automate excel then you should be able toautomate it with them if you actually know them. So no point in saying "Excel Automation using VB6" or they might think you really dont know the other possible languages that can also be used that are listed on your resume.

[vb_student]

thanks for the advice robdog

i guess web technologies include both languages, scripts and packages, correct so web technology is a generic definition for anything that is used to build "web stuff"

[Hack]

thanks for the advice robdog

i guess web technologies include both languages, scripts and packages, correct so web technology is a generic definition for anything that is used to build "web stuff"

Yes, that is right, and just like the term "automation", the phrase "web technology" is thrown around alot and is often used in an incorrect context. But, fundamentally, it means just what you said.