PHP, ASP etc, which is the most viable to learn?

**dee-u** · Jul 14th, 2005, 03:05 AM

I believe they are called Server Side Scripting languages, what could you advise as the most viable to learn in terms of easiness, marketability, etc.?

I have read some ASP and they seem to use VBScript, I think VBScript is easy for me to learn (I already have knowledge in it plus I'm a VB6.0 programmer), will I just learn ASP then?

**Ecniv** · Jul 14th, 2005, 04:37 AM

Start with Asp... If you have certain windoze versions you can install IIS and practice befor uploading.

I (being an Access developer) found it easy as pie to code in Asp, just that the debugging takes a little longer.

Once you are happy in Asp, they you can always expand to PHP others... I think you will find most of them are the same principles, just slightly different langs...

**dee-u** · Jul 14th, 2005, 04:41 AM

Doesnt ASP uses VBScript? Does PHP uses VBScript too? I havent encountered a PHP example yet or maybe I just didnt know it was PHP? I guess VBForums is made with PHP right?

I have WinXP Pro SP1, how can I install IIS?

**dj4uk** · Jul 14th, 2005, 05:04 AM

ASP uses VBScript or JavaScript (there are also some other languages supported but not widely used). PHP uses PHP!

To install IIS go to add/remove programs in the control panel and then go to add/remove windows components. Tick the box next to Internet Information Services (IIS) - there are sub options you might want to look at too.

HTH

DJ

**dee-u** · Jul 14th, 2005, 05:11 AM

So PHP is somewhat a "higher" type of Server Side Scripting language that could do more than ASP?

**dj4uk** · Jul 14th, 2005, 05:17 AM

Really there isn't alot between them they are both interpretted languages.

DJ

**Hack** · Jul 14th, 2005, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by dee-u

So PHP is somewhat a "higher" type of Server Side Scripting language that could do more than ASP?

There is a PHP section in the forums with tons of code examples if you are interested in seeing what PHP looks like. Also, I put a thread in there yesterday with a link to an online PHP tutorial.

**techgnome** · Jul 14th, 2005, 08:32 AM

ASP is ASP. PHP is PHP..... it's valuable to learn both in my opinion. ASP will only run on a Windows IIS machine. PHP on the other hand can run on Unix/Linux/Windows/Mac.... and you can use PHP with IIS, or Apache (and there may be other web servers that also support PHP, but those are the only two I know of for sure).

They both have their uses and draw backs. Just like any development tool. Personaly, I don't think one should learn one over the other, just pick one, learn about it, use it, get comfortable with it. Then pick up the other one.

Tg

**RobDog888** · Jul 14th, 2005, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by TG

They both have their uses and draw backs. Just like any development tool. Personaly, I don't think one should learn one over the other, just pick one, learn about it, use it, get comfortable with it. Then pick up the other one.

I would start with ASP definately. I found it relativetly easy coming from VB6.

You could also, if you decide, go into ASP.NET which isnt too much of a variation from ASP.

I'm thinking of learning PHP at some point in the future. I know its picking up in popularity and its never a bad thing to know
diverse languages in programming.

**DirtyHowi** · Jul 14th, 2005, 03:43 PM

php=c without pointers...essentially...

and while msoft has 81% of the desktops,

apache/linux/php run 81% of the web.

JMHO YMMV

**vincentg** · Jul 14th, 2005, 03:48 PM

As of now, I vote for ASP. I am pro Microsoft. PHP? Maybe.

**dee-u** · Jul 14th, 2005, 07:31 PM

Just installed my IIS and got some samples working, I think it would be relatively "easy" for me to learn, just discovered I could actually use the ActiveX made in VB.

Could anybody pinpoint what's the difference between ASP and ASP.Net? Does ASP.Net still uses VBScript or other else?

Using NotePad we could program ASP, how about PHP, what is used to program it? And I noticed when I tried to open my .asp file hoping it would open in IE it actually opened in VS.Net, does it mean I could program it in .Net IDE?

If I'll decide to learn only ASP will I be fine in terms of Server Side Scripting or it will not be sufficient and I will really have to learn PHP?

Thanks for taking time!

**techgnome** · Jul 14th, 2005, 07:45 PM

In a nutshell:
ASP uses VBScript.
ASP.NET uses ...... .NET.... C# .... VB.NET........And not some stripped down version like old ASP did... but the full-blown, no holds-barred full loaded .NET languages.

Tg

**RobDog888** · Jul 14th, 2005, 10:25 PM

You can make some really advanced pages now with it and quite easily too.
You can set it so the client end will use either VBScript or JScript.

A page can have 3 sections - HTML, GUI, and Code Behind. the Code Behind is where you write your .NET code. The GUI is
like using Front Page to graphically design the page. The HTML is self explanitory.

**mendhak** · Jul 15th, 2005, 01:25 AM

HTML is the same thing as GUI

I suggest PHP and ASP.NET. Both can run on IIS, and both are... nice.

**dee-u** · Jul 15th, 2005, 01:39 AM

Is plain ASP not nice?

**mendhak** · Jul 15th, 2005, 01:44 AM

All languages are nice, in some way aren't they?

I'm looking at it in the two... 'directions'. For the Microsoft platform and powerful web applications, ASP.NET. For the simpler stuff, PHP is pretty good and powerful in its own way.

**dee-u** · Jul 15th, 2005, 02:21 AM

As I'm still learning VB.Net perhaps I should learn ASP first then after some ample knowledge in VB.Net I would move on to ASP.Net... Glad to hear that ASP.Net is powerful.

**mendhak** · Jul 15th, 2005, 02:28 AM

I disagree with your approach. If you're learning VB.NET, then there's no better time to learn ASP.NET! You've already got your 'codebehind' in progress, now it's only a matter of working with HTML and the ASP.NET controls.

**dee-u** · Jul 15th, 2005, 02:36 AM

Does it mean its more appropriate for me to learn VB.Net and ASP.Net at the same time? But I'm still a noob in VB.Net? Will it be fine learning ASP.Net without learning ASP first?

**RobDog888** · Jul 15th, 2005, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by mendhak

HTML is the same thing as GUI

I suggest PHP and ASP.NET. Both can run on IIS, and both are... nice.

In 2003 you have the two buttons at the bottom of the designer that lets you switch between HTML and the graphical designer.
Then when the designer is viewed you can switch to the code behind.

But I do agree that if your learning VB.NET then ASP.NET is just a little more but same base so to speak.

**capsulecorpjx** · Jul 15th, 2005, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by dee-u

I believe they are called Server Side Scripting languages, what could you advise as the most viable to learn in terms of easiness, marketability, etc.?

I have read some ASP and they seem to use VBScript, I think VBScript is easy for me to learn (I already have knowledge in it plus I'm a VB6.0 programmer), will I just learn ASP then?

IIS with ASP is good for quick dirty server side web programs, and great for learning Server Side Scripting/ web development.

However, IIS is full of holes and not very stable relative to other web servers.

Php would be your next step (this is run on Apache Web Server usually on Unix/Linux).

Finally for industrial strength web programming, you can learn IBM's WebSphere, which I think it uses Java Servlets or something like that.

The most hardcore server side scripting uses C executables (I've heard Amazon does this). This will exact the highest performance out of the code This is generally true, lower level languages give higher performance if you do it right.

**RobDog888** · Jul 15th, 2005, 11:03 AM

PHP can run on IIS too.

**wengang** · Jul 18th, 2005, 08:50 PM

but can ASP.Net pages be used in conjunction with classic ASP? Sound strange? If I have one page written with classic ASP, then it redirects to a page written in ASP.Net on same site, there's no problem right? Or is ASP.Net more like a project, where it would be like trying to add a vb6 module to a vb.net project?

**joefox** · Jul 19th, 2005, 02:32 PM

PHP = NONO to many hackers and sql injection will shut you down quick
ASP = I like it

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