Indianapolis F1 race yesterday [Serious]

[agmorgan]

Ferrari didn't veto anything.

The FIA (Max Mosely in fact) disallowed the proposed track changes.

Changing tyres would be going against 5 new 2005 rules which have restricted Ferrari somewhat this season anyway.

Michelin were given the option to run with penalties imposed, but they refused.

Ferrarri did nothing wrong. It was Michelin and the FIA who caused the problem and couldn't resolve it respectively.

[JPicasso]

Actually, the more I read the more I can respect the FIA and the race in general.

Here are the rules.
We follow them.
Race, or get the H3!! out.

I'll have to try and check this out if they televise another event.



We have a rugby team?

[Pc_Madness]

Michelin were given the option to run with penalties imposed, but they refused.

Ferrarri did nothing wrong. It was Michelin and the FIA who caused the problem and couldn't resolve it respectively.

My understanding was that Ferrarri refused to agree to any compromise to try and get the rest of the teams out of the track, while the rest of the teams were all for it. I didn't think Michelin had any options in racing? It merely supplies the tyres and said they weren't up for it. Its up to the teams to decide if they want to get penalised. And on the point that Michelin is supposed to bring two sets of tyres, would the teams have been able to change to the other type anyway without a penalty? Doubt it somehow.

I don't know what the corner in question looks like, but I was kinda given the impression that it was one of those banked corners like in the Nascar races, so perhaps Michelin just didn't consider it when making the tyre (there aren't any other corners like it in F1?)

[dglienna]

They should have realized it during qualifying. They get plenty of practice laps. If the tires were bad, the teams could have switched them before they qualified, but rules don't allow change after the fact. Rules are rules.
Just too bad that someone dropped the ball, as it were.

[Pc_Madness]

They should have realized it during qualifying. They get plenty of practice laps. If the tires were bad, the teams could have switched them before they qualified, but rules don't allow change after the fact. Rules are rules.
Just too bad that someone dropped the ball, as it were.

I thought it was one set of tires for the entire race weekend, thus from the second they head out on the track to the finish?

[honeybee]

My understanding was that Ferrarri refused to agree to any compromise to try and get the rest of the teams out of the track, while the rest of the teams were all for it. I didn't think Michelin had any options in racing? It merely supplies the tyres and said they weren't up for it. Its up to the teams to decide if they want to get penalised. And on the point that Michelin is supposed to bring two sets of tyres, would the teams have been able to change to the other type anyway without a penalty? Doubt it somehow.

I don't know what the corner in question looks like, but I was kinda given the impression that it was one of those banked corners like in the Nascar races, so perhaps Michelin just didn't consider it when making the tyre (there aren't any other corners like it in F1?)

Read the Ferrari boss' comments posted in a link above. It's not Ferrari's fault some cars can't take that corner. He is absolutely right in saying they wouldn't have agreed to any compromise. Just as Ferrari wouldn't be allowed to install a chicane or two, or run three qualifying laps so their tyres could get a better grip.

Add to that the fact that the teams had already received notice about paying special attention to their tyres. The Michelin teams have plainly been stupid and then arrogant.

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[honeybee]

Ferrari didn't veto anything.

The FIA (Max Mosely in fact) disallowed the proposed track changes.

Changing tyres would be going against 5 new 2005 rules which have restricted Ferrari somewhat this season anyway.

Michelin were given the option to run with penalties imposed, but they refused.

Ferrari did nothing wrong. It was Michelin and the FIA who caused the problem and couldn't resolve it respectively.

I think more than Michelin (as in the tyre manufacturer), the teams running on Michelin tyres are to blame for the fiasco. The tyre rules have already troubled Ferrari throughout this season, but they haven't complained about it yet. So I can't see why others should complain and whine about rules being strictly followed when they are stupid enough to use the wrong tyres.

To those blaming Ferrari, I don't remember Ferrari using their weight to force a change of rules as far as tyres are concerned. The only real point of debate is the amount of money being spent and I don't see anything wrong unless the money were to be used to bribe officials and other such anti-sport activities. They are using the money on R & D and innovation which shouldn't call for any destructive criticism.

Wouldn't changing the track at the last moment without allowing the teams to practice on it endanger the drivers?? What do you think they hold the practice and qualifying laps for??

If the Michelin teams were really worried about the sport, as they are claiming now, they would have run with reduced speeds. Why were they not ready to accept any solution other than a chicane? Because they too cared about the race and not the sport. They knew Ferrari would walk away with the top honours because they had the right tyres, and didn't want to lose their own standings because of their own stupidity, so they decided to make it a prestige issue and blame it on Ferrari and Bernie. When they have clearly not discharged their own obligation of bringing another set of tyres, they shouldn't be talking about sport and fans. What the FIA did was the right thing, and the only reason I can think of for not banning these teams from the sport is it would actually take away the competition.

I think the single tyre rule was introduced to allow the other teams to catch up with Ferrari who have dominated the last few seasons and we can already see the effects of the rule with Ferrari struggling in the championship so far. They don't complain about these rule changes at all. Aren't they actually discharging their duties better than the other teams? Focus on the sport and not on politics??

Why should Jordan join the other teams in the protest? They haven't done anything wrong, and by initially siding with the other teams they were only showing team spirit and nothing else. There's no reason why they should boycott the race. They are still the minions and every race is going to give their drivers some valuable experience and a chance to improve. To say they should just throw it all away and waste it is just stupid.

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