Which is better, win2000 or XP? (resolved)

**dee-u** · Jun 1st, 2005, 01:55 AM

Which would you recommend, win2000 or XP? I kinda like the classic style of win2000....

**skv_noida** · Jun 1st, 2005, 01:57 AM

As you wish

**dee-u** · Jun 1st, 2005, 02:06 AM

I hope someone would provide the advantages over each other.... What features will I miss if I'll use Win2000 instead of XP?

**skv_noida** · Jun 1st, 2005, 02:08 AM

You Can Visit MicroSoft web site for same

**NoteMe** · Jun 1st, 2005, 02:28 AM

I feel that WinXp is more bloated. But some apps like and libraries only run on WinXP, that is more or less the only differenece I find. So if I could choose, I would have choosen Win2k, but since I can't do DirectX programming anymore in Win2K, I had to buy WinXP....

PS: Win2K is pretty soon not supported anymore...

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**dee-u** · Jun 1st, 2005, 02:34 AM

Not supported in what aspect? Would you believe that there are still win98's here in our place? There might probably win95 still!!!!

**NoteMe** · Jun 1st, 2005, 02:44 AM

Yeah of course there is. There is a lot of old machines out there. But they never upgrade other aps either do they? The problem is when you want to have the newest of the newest apps on your machine. Check if all the apps you want can run on a win2k machine. If so, then go for it. If not, then you know you don't have a choice like me. And also check out if there is a new version comming like VS.NET 2005, if you think you will ever use it then you have to check if those apps can run on Win2K too.

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**dee-u** · Jun 1st, 2005, 02:47 AM

I have heard that SQL Server 2005 is coming, is it true?

**NoteMe** · Jun 1st, 2005, 02:50 AM

Yes, that is true, but it is still in Beta...not sure when it is comming, but it can't be more then 6months away..

**dee-u** · Jun 1st, 2005, 02:54 AM

BTW, why did you say that you should have chosen win2k instead of XP? Personally I like better the GUI of win2k than XP, I like that Recycle Bin icon in win2k!

**NoteMe** · Jun 1st, 2005, 02:58 AM

As I said in my first post, I feel that WinXP is more bloated. It is more or less Win2K with a circus tent dragged over it. I am using WinXP now, but I have changed all the menues and stuff so it looks like WIn2K, but I would still have prefered Win2K because it was faster...

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**nebulom** · Jun 1st, 2005, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by dee-u

Not supported in what aspect? Would you believe that there are still win98's here in our place? There might probably win95 still!!!!

There are even 3.1 my friend. Don't be so info-technologically shock.

**dee-u** · Jun 1st, 2005, 05:12 AM

They still exists in your place? I have seen one maybe last 1997-1998 but not now....

**DaveBo** · Jun 1st, 2005, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by NoteMe

WinXP ... bloated ... is more or less Win2K with a circus tent dragged over it.

I like that, and couldn't agree more, except, I think they added a lot of clowns and a freak show.
I use Win2K, WinXP-home, and Win98 every day.

Win2k: stable, few surprises, pretty much keeps its promises.

WinXP: quirky, mind of its own, makes me curse more than probably anything else because I feel lost when it "doesn't" crash.
More and more like Hal of 2001.

Win98: old friend, has its flaws but I know how to handle them. Does just what I need it to do.

**sciguyryan** · Jun 1st, 2005, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by DaveBo

I like that, and couldn't agree more, except, I think they added a lot of clowns and a freak show.
I use Win2K, WinXP-home, and Win98 every day.

Win2k: stable, few surprises, pretty much keeps its promises.

WinXP: quirky, mind of its own, makes me curse more than probably anything else because I feel lost when it "doesn't" crash.
More and more like Hal of 2001.

Win98: old friend, has its flaws but I know how to handle them. Does just what I need it to do.

I also use Windows 98 still.... I really disslike the way that XP takes control of somethings away from you....

Cheers,

RyanJ

**szlamany** · Jun 1st, 2005, 09:00 AM

Win XP Professional - the only choice.

If you are developing for the marketplace, learn to like XP, it's look and style and simply get with the program.

My customers are all on XP Prof (XP Home is not the same framework as XP Prof at all). As a developer, I have to support the choices they make in all ways.

**Hack** · Jun 1st, 2005, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by szlamany

Win XP Professional - the only choice.

If you are developing for the marketplace, learn to like XP, it's look and style and simply get with the program.

My customers are all on XP Prof (XP Home is not the same framework as XP Prof at all). As a developer, I have to support the choices they make in all ways.

Bingo! I never really got into WinXP until I had to because, like szlamany, I'm a commercial developer, and to a business, all of my clients have WinXP Pro as their standard desktop OS. After dealing with it for a while, I'm actually starting to kinda, sorta, like it.

**Madboy** · Jun 1st, 2005, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by dee-u

BTW, why did you say that you should have chosen win2k instead of XP? Personally I like better the GUI of win2k than XP, I like that Recycle Bin icon in win2k!

You can change it, i went from Win98 to XP Pro SP2, its a heck of a lot more stable, not sure about Win2x, never used it.

If you search google a few results come up with comparisons

**sciguyryan** · Jun 1st, 2005, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Madboy

You can change it, i went from Win98 to XP Pro SP2, its a heck of a lot more stable, not sure about Win2x, never used it.

If you search google a few results come up with comparisons

I had Windows 2000 installed on my computer for a while - it was quite stable and had some good features. In the end I decided to go back to Windows 98 because Windows 2000 was more tsuited to a multi-person system than a single user computer like mine

I had Windows XP in my computer for less than 20 minutes before I formatted the hard drive and put Windows 98 abck in

Cheers,

RyanJ

**szlamany** · Jun 1st, 2005, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by sciguyryan

I had Windows 2000 installed on my computer for a while - it was quite stable and had some good features. In the end I decided to go back to Windows 98 because Windows 2000 was more tsuited to a multi-person system than a single user computer like mine

I had Windows XP in my computer for less than 20 minutes before I formatted the hard drive and put Windows 98 abck in

Cheers,

RyanJ

I just don't get it - why would you want to use a 7 year old OS - when no one else is using it?

How about hardware - drivers - USB - all the things that are now available, that Win98 doesn't do?

**RobDog888** · Jun 1st, 2005, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by sciguyryan

I had Windows 2000 installed on my computer for a while - it was quite stable and had some good features. In the end I decided to go back to Windows 98 because Windows 2000 was more tsuited to a multi-person system than a single user computer like mine

I had Windows XP in my computer for less than 20 minutes before I formatted the hard drive and put Windows 98 abck in

Cheers,

RyanJ

In XP you can have automatic logon for each user. No need to enter passwords,etc.

XP can be set to use the "Classic" windows style which is the look of 2000. XP is allot more stable then 98 and its BSOD!
I too didnt want to change but found myself falling behind in the development area so I upgraded and now I wont go back. XP is great and
with SP-2 I think its better then 2000.

**Madboy** · Jun 1st, 2005, 01:16 PM

Nicely commented, the new SP2 Framework V1.1 is a must of have, do you even get BSOD's?

What i like most about XP is the fact that if one application stops responding, rather than freezing the whole system (forcing restart, a common problem in Win98), you can just close the one program and continue working.

Infact, i have had my PC for about 2 weeks now, i would never go back to Win98, because it never crashes!

**szlamany** · Jun 1st, 2005, 01:19 PM

That's the whole point of XP Prof - built upon the strong NT world - not the home-use Win9x world.

Memory management - much better. Task processing - much better.

The only time I ever got a BSOD with XP Prof was when my hard-drive was starting to fail and the registry hive was appearing corrupt - wasn't really corrupt - was really a bad sector (wish I figured that out before the whole drive died!)...

**sciguyryan** · Jun 1st, 2005, 01:20 PM

I swore I would never upgrade to the XP OS and I will not.

The next upgrade I plan to use is the Longhorn one released next year

Cheers,

RyanJ

**RobDog888** · Jun 1st, 2005, 01:20 PM

Only in 98 I have gotten BSODs but in 2000 I got only one during the course of 4 years. Now with XP none yet but its been only 9 months.

**RobDog888** · Jun 1st, 2005, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by sciguyryan

I swore I would never upgrade to the XP OS and I will not.

The next upgrade I plan to use is the Longhorn one released next year

Cheers,

RyanJ

Longhorn is nothing more then what they did with Windows ME marketing to multimedia features, etc. XP will still be better plus Longhorn
is not going to be including the WinFS because they are having problems and cant meet the deadline, which is being pushed back again.

**Madboy** · Jun 1st, 2005, 01:42 PM

So what is Windows Server 2003 about? Is that an OS?

**RobDog888** · Jun 1st, 2005, 01:52 PM

Sure is. Its an OS that "serves" other workstations in a networked environment.
Its services can be configured for it to be a Domain Controller, Web Server, etc.

**Madboy** · Jun 1st, 2005, 01:56 PM

So its not used for Home use, and that means XP Pro SP2 is the latest OS, for your home anyway?

**szlamany** · Jun 1st, 2005, 02:05 PM

The SERVER OS options from MS (Small Business Server, Windows Server 2000, 2003) are designed to run server boxes - not workstation/desktop boxes.

Different layers of tools - like no OUTLOOK client - but all kinds of ADMIN tools.

But for workstation/desktop use, XP Professional is my choice - whether in my office (where we have about a dozen workstations connected to a Small Business Server 2000 server network) or at home (or my laptop!).

**RobDog888** · Jun 1st, 2005, 03:20 PM

Any computer can run Server OS' as long as they are powerful enough to handle the extra resources used in running
server services and utilities, etc.

I have Windows Server 2003 at home running on a P4 768 Mbs of RDRAM w/2 - 80 Gb drives.
Also, on the same system, I am running SQL 2000 Standard and Exchange 2003.

On my main workstation also at home I am running XP Pro on a P4 2.8 Ghz Hyper threading
800FSB w/1 Gb of Dual channel RAM w/ Dual RAID Mirrors (one mirror of 2 80 Gb ATA
drives and the second mirror of 2 120 Gb SATA drives).

I have a combination hardwired/wireless network of 1 server and 5 workstations running Windows 2000 Pro - XP Pro all with 1500/384 DSL.

**DaveBo** · Jun 1st, 2005, 03:46 PM

Win98 vs WinXP
Hey, if 98 does what you need, then forcing yourself to use something else seems masochistic.
I agree with keeping up with the times etc. but, as an analogy:
when my son the mechanic wants to change a tire, he fires up the compressor, hooks up the air hose and prepares the pneumatic drill etc.
I use a lug wrench. Not as flashy, expensive, or noisy, but it works!

WinXP Home vs Pro. ?
Isn't the Home version just the Pro with some features disabled?

**RobDog888** · Jun 1st, 2005, 03:54 PM

Yes, the biggest one is that you cant network the Home version.

But if you use a lug wrench you may bust a knuckle if your not careful. Using the pneumatic wrench is safer and easier and
sounds really cool.

**<ABX** · Jun 1st, 2005, 04:28 PM

You can remove the "theming" lag completely from Windows XP if you wish.

Right Click on My Computer, Select "Properties"

Switch to the "Advanced" Tab
In the preformace group box Click "Settings"

Select custom, and uncheck anything you dont need/want. ( I only have "Use Common Tasks In Folders", "Use Drop shadows for Desktop Icon Labels")

Next:

Start --> Run

Type "services.msc" and press Enter

Find the Service named "Themes"
Double Click on it and Change the startup type to "Manual" and then Click the stop button.

**thegreatone** · Jun 1st, 2005, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by RobDog888

Yes, the biggest one is that you cant network the Home version.

Then how is my network somehow surviving ?
2 WIN XP Home SP2 Box's over wireless router to connect to eachother and 2000/288 adsl...

**szlamany** · Jun 1st, 2005, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by thegreatone

Then how is my network somehow surviving ?
2 WIN XP Home SP2 Box's over wireless router to connect to eachother and 2000/288 adsl...

By networking - IPSEC - that kind of stuff.

Remote Desktop...

Remote Assist...

That kind of stuff.

**thegreatone** · Jun 1st, 2005, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by szlamany

By networking - IPSEC - that kind of stuff.

Remote Desktop...

Remote Assist...

That kind of stuff.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up

I would love to be able to use remote desktop because my sister i forever asking me for help, and i'm lazy, so that would be nice

**NoteMe** · Jun 2nd, 2005, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by szlamany

How about hardware - drivers - USB - all the things that are now available, that Win98 doesn't do?

Not sure if anyone has mentioned in this in the thread furuther down, but just had to mention this...win98SE is supporting USB...

**NoteMe** · Jun 2nd, 2005, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by szlamany

That's the whole point of XP Prof - built upon the strong NT world - not the home-use Win9x world.

Memory management - much better. Task processing - much better.

The only time I ever got a BSOD with XP Prof was when my hard-drive was starting to fail and the registry hive was appearing corrupt - wasn't really corrupt - was really a bad sector (wish I figured that out before the whole drive died!)...

It is the same with Win2K...

...Had my machine running 24/7 for more then 3 years, only rebooting when I installed new apps when and they required it. Never had a BSOD; and yes it is buildt on the NT platform.

Win2K is a mix of 9x and the NT platform. It has the stability and network capabilities of NT, and the plug and play futures of Win9x. And XP has the same, it is not a rebuild but an "upgrade" of Win2K.

When XP came out, my job sendt me to a MS course, about what the new OS. The MS guy said that there was only 2 big differences on the HOME and PRO version.

PRO has the encryption possibilites, and PRO has the possibilities for domains. Something home doesn't. Or at least not the same way. So that is why companies use the PRO version, because they need if for their big netwoorks but home users don't usualy need it so they can get a HOME edition. Except from that the capabilities is more or less the same.

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**szlamany** · Jun 2nd, 2005, 06:28 AM

Noteme - I think it's old urban legend that I've heard in the past about XP Home and XP Prof having different origins and frameworks...

I cannot find anything to back that up now - so I assume it's just that - garbage information.

I've got a very old PC with NT running a video-editing suite in my office - never get BSOD or reboot that baby either.

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