Capital punishment and the human rights act

[BodwadUK]

Make them work there way through. Education as they work by teaching stuff they need in the real world not rubbish that they will never need again like normal school education.

It should work the same for kids. Not prison but making them do small simple jobs to pay back for damage they do in Vandalism etc. Make them at least clean up the mess they have made and then hopefully their act

[davebat]

you mean community service

[mendhak]

A group of people feel that certain things ought to be done a certain way, and they have opinions about it. They get together and wish to make their opinions known.

Thus, we have Amnesty International, Greenpeace and the KKK.

But that all aside, I think it's easy to talk about how annoying some groups of people are until you've been in a situation where such a topic actually affects you.

I may not give a flying hoot about child labor, simply because I was never made to work in adverse conditions and such. If I did, however, I'd have an opinion about it. Some people though, who have never been exposed to child labor, may feel that they understand it and they may feel that it's wrong, and would want to express it. Try to make it stop.

Why make it stop?

Answer it like this:

Why would Jehovah's Witnesses keep coming to my door a 6 AM in the morning? I can tell you, it's not for the beating I'll give them or the milk and cookies I give out for free on weekdays.

Many of us give an ear to what Amnesty or Greenpeace have to say, but won't listen to the KKK or neo-nazis. Because right there, we have an opinion.

And since all of us have opinions, all of us should have opinions.

The moral of this story is, let Amnesty bark.

[BodwadUK]

Yes I am talking community service but I am talking mandatory comunity service. If found guilty they should at least put things back to how they were. If they damage property they should work off the debt to pay it back etc.

So Mendhak you say they should exist but we should just ignore them?

[Valleysboy1978]

So Mendhak you say they should exist but we should just ignore them?

Isn't this what we already do?

[demotivater]

Amnesty international have revealed that nearly 4000 people were executed in 2004, the highest number for ten years.

What are peoples views on this.

I wonder if their numbers took into account all the people that were murdered by those that were executed?

[Valleysboy1978]

I wonder if their numbers took into account all the people that were murdered by those that were executed?

Excellent point

[davebat]

people are not just executed for murder, China uses the death penalty for a wide range of crimes, from murder to economic crimes such as corruption. Ignoring quarantine during the SARS epidemic could even get you killed.



"It is worrying that the vast majority of those executed in the world did not have fair trials. Many were convicted on the basis of ’evidence’ extracted under torture."

[Valleysboy1978]

I don't mean to sound heartless but they wanted a communist government, and these are results of that form of government. Under a democracy (US) or Republic (UK) the government wouldn't last 5 minutes because the people would be so outraged at the atrocties

[lokespas]

I thought UK was a monarchy

how can UK be a Republic when Queen Elizabeth II is the Head of state

but okay hail the Republic of UK

[demotivater]

people are not just executed for murder

I'm aware of that.

I tend to agree with ValleysBoy regarding the communist government. The people should rise against he government, and when they're crushed, they should rise again.

[dinosaur_uk]

people are not just executed for murder, China uses the death penalty for a wide range of crimes, from murder to economic crimes such as corruption. Ignoring quarantine during the SARS epidemic could even get you killed.



"It is worrying that the vast majority of those executed in the world did not have fair trials. Many were convicted on the basis of ’evidence’ extracted under torture."

If you have never lived in china, you will not understand the situation. The reason why africa/middle east is so turbulent is due to Western politics being forced onto them. If everyone just learnt to accept other governement systems, the world would be in alot better place...

[davebat]

I don't mean to sound heartless but they wanted a communist government, and these are results of that form of government. Under a democracy (US) or Republic (UK) the government wouldn't last 5 minutes because the people would be so outraged at the atrocties

I think this shows a little naiveity on your part.

[dinosaur_uk]

I think this shows a little naiveity on your part.

I agree.....

many people in the western world often believe that democracy is the way forward.

How ironic, isn't the UK and the US rapidly eroding individual rights with the iraq war and new "anti-terrorism" laws?

what democracy?

[demotivater]

I agree.....

many people in the western world often believe that democracy is the way forward.

How ironic, isn't the UK and the US rapidly eroding individual rights with the iraq war and new "anti-terrorism" laws?

what democracy?

Which media outlet told you that?

[dinosaur_uk]

Which media outlet told you that?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4291565.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...ay/4286873.stm

Read the links around it too....

[Valleysboy1978]

I thought UK was a monarchy

how can UK be a Republic when Queen Elizabeth II is the Head of state

but okay hail the Republic of UK

The Queen has no powers to govern any more so the Prime Minister has the same powers as the US president. A lot of the showcasing (such as asking the queen to dissolve the government for an upcoming election) is just stupid tradition. Ask yourself this, if the Queen had a royals power we wouldn't elect a new prime minister, she would. The fact that we elect the leading party is a republic.

[Valleysboy1978]

I agree.....

many people in the western world often believe that democracy is the way forward.

I never said that. I believe that it is up to the people of each country to decide what form of government they wish to have. The Chinese have chosen communism, and many in China still support it. Democracies and Republics have there disadvantages also, after all nothing is perfect

How ironic, isn't the UK and the US rapidly eroding individual rights with the iraq war and new "anti-terrorism" laws?

what democracy?

I would like to point out that if you had the incling you would speak to your local MP (senator in US?) that you believe these atrocities should stop. You could hand in a 10,000 name petition and he would HAVE to take it further as that is his job.
In a communist government or dictatorship, you would be shot on the spot for having opinions against the government and probably would never have got 10,000 names in the first place because people feared retribution.

Democracy allows you to protest peacefully should you choose. Granted the government rarely listen, but that's when we vote them out of power at the next election.....the problem being that Tony Blair is a better leader than Michael Howard (*shudders*) and Kennedy (don't even go there). As was the case with Bush, the alternative of Kerry was hardly much of an alternative.

[davebat]

In a communist government or dictatorship, you would be shot on the spot for having opinions against the government and probably would never have got 10,000 names in the first place because people feared retribution.

Exactly, so its logical to presume that many are unhappy with the government but fear of being shot or Executed to say anyhting. I doubt many people wanted a communist government in the firts place so your attitude of "leave them to it" is a bit silly.

[dinosaur_uk]

I am not condoning communism...

I was just saying that one nation should not inflict its opinons on other country.

[Valleysboy1978]

Exactly, so its logical to presume that many are unhappy with the government but fear of being shot or Executed to say anyhting. I doubt many people wanted a communist government in the firts place so your attitude of "leave them to it" is a bit silly.

So how exactly would you go about changing the Chinese government? That would result in WW3 and as dino_uk mentions, we have on such right to change another country's government. Let's sort out our own homes first.

[dinosaur_uk]

what do i know anyway?

i am just a foolish fool.

[lokespas]

The Queen has no powers to govern any more so the Prime Minister has the same powers as the US president. A lot of the showcasing (such as asking the queen to dissolve the government for an upcoming election) is just stupid tradition. Ask yourself this, if the Queen had a royals power we wouldn't elect a new prime minister, she would. The fact that we elect the leading party is a republic.

Call it what you want, but as long the queen is the head off state it is a monarcy(constitutional monarchy). The fact that you elect the leading party dosent make it a Republic. you can´t call it a republic before you kill the queen or do like the greeks throw her out of the country.

Ireland,Autria France, are repulics

UK ,Denmark, Spain ,Sweden,Norway and canada are all constitutional monarchys, but as long there is a monarc it canot be a republic.


here you can join the fun:
http://www.republic.org.uk/
http://www.britishrepublic.org.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...lican_movement

Canada:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/ab...archy_00-e.htm

[Valleysboy1978]

you can´t call it a republic before you kill the queen or do like the greeks throw her out of the country

Throw her out of the country would be the best solution. Then you wouldn't have to deal with her idiotic family *shudders*

I am dreading the day that William or Charles becomes King. Oh the humanity of it!!

[davebat]

So how exactly would you go about changing the Chinese government? That would result in WW3 and as dino_uk mentions, we have on such right to change another country's government. Let's sort out our own homes first.

Thats the point of amnesty international, they see people suffering and try to help them.

[BodwadUK]

There is nothing wrong with the monarcy. It brings in tourism to an otherwise boring country so dont slag it off

[Valleysboy1978]

There is nothing wrong with the monarcy. It brings in tourism to an otherwise boring country so dont slag it off

Brings in tourism? Oh give me strength!
People never actually see the royal family, they simply see Windsor castle, Buckingham Palace (which has only been open to the public for about three years anyway) etc etc

These places would still exist and the tourists would still come. Besides, it is only London that benefits form the British Royal Family.

Besides, I'd worry about your crown first

[lokespas]

I am dreading the day that William or Charles becomes King. Oh the humanity of it!!

yeah and with someone like Paris Hilton as queen

[Valleysboy1978]

yeah and with someone like Paris Hilton as queen

Oh good god no

[BodwadUK]

All traditions associated with the monarchy bring in tourists. True we could get rid of them but then nobody would give a **** anymore about visiting

[mendhak]

Brings in tourism? Oh give me strength!
People never actually see the royal family, they simply see Windsor castle, Buckingham Palace (which has only been open to the public for about three years anyway) etc etc

And it's not worth the effort. Just stand outside the gates and watch "soldiers" parade around in a manner that seems to have been devised entirely for the purpose of attracting the attention of gawkers in the first place. The palace is the only boring part about tourism in London.

[Valleysboy1978]

Indeed. There is much more to London than the Palace.
Frankly I wasn't that impressed by Windsor Castle as it seemed more like a state home than a castle.

Although I did enjoy things like the Planetarium, Madame Tussauds, The Science Museum, Natural History, London Eye etc.

London will always have it's visitors, with or without the idiot family....sorry, royal family

[BodwadUK]

The science museam is appalling. Its about 15 years out of date

British museam was good.

Madame Tussauds and the planetarian were a rip off so I didnt go in.

[Valleysboy1978]

The science musuem was good fun because you actually DO stuff instead of reading about it. The kids loved it anyway

Madame Tussauds was good fun. Kids loved to see their idols and stuff.

In the end though there is far more to London, and indeed the UK, than an inbred family that are still living in the 19th century

[BodwadUK]

How old are 'The kids'

The science museam was a not very good. Mind you I am 22 but I thought they would have more science and more up to date stuff

[Valleysboy1978]

Bear in mind they don't have the kind of handouts the Royal Family does.

My cousins are 12 and 10. They loved every minute of the science museum