Is immigration out of control?

[System_Error]

Malim does your husband run his business out of knoxville? For 15 an hour ill cut lawns all day then wax your car.

Or he could pay one of those illegal immigrants he seems to support 3 dollars an hour.

[Malim]

Most of the arguments presented, including yours, can't be considered valid arguments. You can't even support your crap.

As for mexico, I just read were the president of mexico has actually made a dvd that tells mexicans how to get over here illegally without being caught.

You have got to be kidding me! Are you smoking Crack? I have real world experience that supports what I've stated. We own our own business that deals with these exact issues! What experience do you have to support your arguments? Oh yeah - I forgot - you watch Bill O'Reilly. Okay - expert O'Reilly want-to-be - tell me where I failed in my crappy arguments!

[Dillinger4]

Ok ok let's get back on topic. A job for me.

[System_Error]

You have got to be kidding me! Are you smoking Crack? I have real world experience that supports what I've stated. We own our own business that deals with these exact issues! What experience do you have to support your arguments? Oh yeah - I forgot - you watch Bill O'Reilly. Okay - expert O'Reilly want-to-be - tell me where I failed in my crappy arguments!

You run a business right? You probably get your sources from something that supports your side, with made up evidence, and invalid arguments. I don't blame you, if I ran a business, I would want the cheapest workers. See, you don't get both sides of the stories, just the parts that make you feel good.

[System_Error]

Ok ok let's get back on topic. A job for me.

Maybe after the argument...Or during.

[System_Error]

tell me where I failed in my crappy arguments!

Thanks for the admitance, and contridiction.

[Malim]

Ok ok let's get back on topic. A job for me.

My husband sold his business when we moved here. He may get back into it, might not. We are surveying the market to see if there is the same demand as there was in Atlanta. Right now, it seems like there isn't as much of a demand. But, it's still frigid here at times. So we'll see.

But, if you are a java developer, and you know VB 5 and 6 - VB.net is different - but not a huge leap. Brush up. Do you know ASP.net?

I work for the greatest company, and we have a web development team. I don't know if they are hiring right now.

[Malim]

Thanks for the admitance, and contridiction.

Did you get in a fight with your girlfriend tonight???? Or, is Bill O'Reilly your boyfriend? Don't know where you are coming from at all!

[System_Error]

Did you get in a fight with your girlfriend tonight???? Or, is Bill O'Reilly your boyfriend? Don't know where you are coming from at all!

What? You just said that in one of your posts...Please say something valid next time. I'm tired of wasting my time with someone who has little knowledge of the subject.

[Dillinger4]

I only touch Java. Keep in touch. I should be in knoxville within the month. Perhaps we could do lunch some time.

[System_Error]

I only touch Java. Keep in touch. I should be in knoxville within the month. Perhaps we could do lunch some time.

It's a big scam, she just wants to rip you off

[Malim]

What? You just said that in one of your posts...Please say something valid next time. I'm tired of wasting my time with someone who has little knowledge of the subject.

I just looked at your public profile - you are only 16 - if you were truthful in filling out your profile.

OMG - I am arguing about owning a business with a 16 year old!

[Dillinger4]

I doubt that. What would she take? Im pretty much going down there with only the shirt on my back.

[szlamany]

Most of the arguments presented, including yours, can't be considered valid arguments. You can't even support your crap.

As for mexico, I just read were the president of mexico has actually made a dvd that tells mexicans how to get over here illegally without being caught.

They have all, actually, been insiteful and full of personal experience.

You are simply batting at the edges and giving no good input - from what I can see.

[Dillinger4]

Posted by Malim
OMG - I am arguing about owning a business with a 16 year old!

Yes.

[Malim]

I only touch Java. Keep in touch. I should be in knoxville within the month. Perhaps we could do lunch some time.

No problem. Maybe you could visit my office, I'd be happy to show you around, and introduce you to people in my IT department. It's a great place to work!

Knoxville is great too! Lots of lakes, and water skiing. Then, the mountains aren't far, so there's relatively decent snow skiing too! It's a fun place to live.

[System_Error]

They have all, actually, been insiteful and full of personal experience.

You are simply batting at the edges and giving no good input - from what I can see.

hmm...exactly what I said except in different words..Thanks for the repitition.

[System_Error]

I just looked at your public profile - you are only 16 - if you were truthful in filling out your profile.

OMG - I am arguing about owning a business with a 16 year old!

Doesn't it suck when someone younger than you actually knows more?

[Dillinger4]

Posted by System_Error
hmm...exactly what I said except in different words..Thanks for the repitition.

I think szlamany was referring to you.

[System_Error]

I think szlamany was referring to you.

Yes, I directed a similar post at him, and he did the same thing at me. That's why I said it was exactly what I said.

[Malim]

They have all, actually, been insiteful and full of personal experience.

You are simply batting at the edges and giving no good input - from what I can see.

Okay - I've lived it. As far as I can tell, you haven't. Who can give better input than someone has lived it?

Batting at the edges and giving no good input? It's simple. There are jobs people aren't willing to do here. There are jobs that people are willing to do here who happen to be illegal immigrants. I don't think it gets much deeper than that. If Americans were willing to do the jobs it would be different. But, they aren't.

Tell me where I'm going wrong. My husband has been running this company successfully for ten years. What's your experience? Experience is the best educator that there is. Just like when a child puts there hand up to a hot stove and it burns, they won't do it again....

[System_Error]

Okay - I've lived it. As far as I can tell, you haven't. Who can give better input than someone has lived it?

Batting at the edges and giving no good input? It's simple. There are jobs people aren't willing to do here. There are jobs that people are willing to do here who happen to be illegal immigrants. I don't think it gets much deeper than that. If from America were willing to do the jobs it would be different. But, they aren't.

Tell me where I'm going wrong. My husband has been running this company successfully for ten years. What's your experience? Experience is the best educator that there is. Just like when a child puts there hand up to a hot stove and it burns, they won't do it again....

I see what your saying, but your missing my point. What would be the point of an american working a job, and only getting payed half of what they should because of the competition they have?(illegal immigrants)..You own a business right? If you had such strict competition, would you lower prices so much that your really not making anything?

[Malim]

Doesn't it suck when someone younger than you actually knows more?

No - it doesn't suck at all. When a 16 year old can make an intelligent argument without placing all of his intelligence in a Bill O'Reilly show, I don't have a problem at all admitting when I am wrong. I happen to know many teenagers who are smart and can formulate their own opinions from the information they get. And, I am more than happy to listen to their opinions.

But, you haven't made one bit of sense yet! You have only repeated something you watched on T.V.

[System_Error]

Okay - I've lived it. As far as I can tell, you haven't. Who can give better input than someone has lived it?

What is your definition of living it? I live in an area that has one of the highest immigrant population in the US?

Why do you think I know nothing of this, just because I'm 16, and I don't own a business?

[System_Error]

No - it doesn't suck at all. When a 16 year old can make an intelligent argument without placing all of his intelligence in a Bill O'Reilly show, I don't have a problem at all admitting when I am wrong. I happen to know many teenagers who are smart and can formulate their own opinions from the information they get. And, I am more than happy to listen to their opinions.

But, you haven't made one bit of sense yet! You have only repeated something you watched on T.V.

That show gave me the idea, I didn't just take everything from it. Personally, I think your the one not making any sense, but yet we both say that, so maybe none of us is making any sense.

[System_Error]

You have only repeated something you watched on T.V.

How could an individual remember all of those statistics and information from a TV show?

[szlamany]

Okay - I've lived it. As far as I can tell, you haven't. Who can give better input than someone has lived it?

Batting at the edges and giving no good input? It's simple. There are jobs people aren't willing to do here. There are jobs that people are willing to do here who happen to be illegal immigrants. I don't think it gets much deeper than that. If Americans were willing to do the jobs it would be different. But, they aren't.

Tell me where I'm going wrong. My husband has been running this company successfully for ten years. What's your experience? Experience is the best educator that there is. Just like when a child puts there hand up to a hot stove and it burns, they won't do it again....

Are you actually speaking to me here?

[Malim]

What is your definition of living it? I live in an area that has one of the highest immigrant population in the US?

Why do you think I know nothing of this, just because I'm 16, and I don't own a business?

Once again, I own my own business where Americans are not willing to do the job for a good pay that illegal immigrants will do.

Okay, that said, we still check for driver's license and social security cards because we want to comply with the law. However, we are somewhat suspicious that they may not be legitimate.

They are great workers, and we do not underpay them, or cut down the pay scale for them. We pay them well, because our success is tied to what they do for our business.

We report the wages that we pay to them to the IRS via 1099. At that point, it is up to the IRS to track them down, because it is not our fault that they have slipped through the immigration cracks especially when we have done what we can do to check for green card/citizenship etc.

Why are we ranting about illegal immigrants that come into this country to do what fat, lazy welfare recipients consider to be substandard work? (Reminder - we pay our staff very well for what they do.)

The focus should be, why do fat, lazy Americans insist on collecting welfare when there are perfectly good jobs (might not be the most appealling) for them to do. (And, I'm not talking about those who are on welfare legitemately, I'm talking about those who work the system.)

It's not that I think you know nothing of this. But, I have ten years of experience in a business that deals directly with this issue. Don't you think you should consider the experience of someone who has had real world interaction in the debates that you are having? And, not simply dismiss them as invalid, or in your words, crappy.

[szlamany]

Yes - I posted what you said when I replied. Look at post 61

Why? I was backing you up to this young inexperienced mouth

[System_Error]

But, I have ten years of experience in a business that deals directly with this issue. Don't you think you should consider the experience of someone who has had real world interaction in the debates that you are having? And, not simply dismiss them as invalid, or in your words, crappy.

I do regard your arguments, but I still don't understand why you think I know nothing just because I don't own a business. Also, I was only trying to get at you with saying that your debates were crappy, although you do consitentely avoid my questions, as for the reason, I don't know.

Now, once again, I would like to know why living in one of the highest immagrational area's does not count as legitimately "living" it. And what is your definition of living it? Are you saying that only people owning businesses have valid arguments in a subject such as this?

[System_Error]

Why? I was backing you up to this young inexperienced mouth

Wow, what a contributor...age is everything right? I can see your presenting your side very well.

[szlamany]

You run a business right? You probably get your sources from something that supports your side, with made up evidence, and invalid arguments. I don't blame you, if I ran a business, I would want the cheapest workers. See, you don't get both sides of the stories, just the parts that make you feel good.

You really should be more cohesive in your arguments - from reading these posts you are loosing the debate.

[System_Error]

I'm having fun, but I have to sign off...See you guys later.

[Malim]

Why? I was backing you up to this young inexperienced mouth

Yes - I see that now. I'm sorry. I read your response that he took to validate his point. Which, now I see was taken out of context.

Thanks for watching my back!

[System_Error]

You really should be more cohesive in your arguments - from reading these posts you are loosing the debate.

Once again! What a powerfull post..By the way, you can't even spell losing right, so how can you constitute a win?

[szlamany]

I do regard your arguments, but I still don't understand why you think I know nothing just because I don't own a business. Also, I was only trying to get at you with saying that your debates were crappy, although you do consitentely avoid my questions, as for the reason, I don't know.

Now, once again, I would like to know why living in one of the highest immagrational area's does not count as legitimately "living" it. And what is your definition of living it? Are you saying that only people owning businesses have valid arguments in a subject such as this?

My grandfather immigrated to the US when he was 16 - back in 1910 - by 1950 he owned his own shop in NYC - a house - two house actually - and left a legacy of "do it" in his grandchildren.

From what I can tell, in the USA, NYC is the biggest immigrational areas per square foot ever developed!

[szlamany]

Once again! What a powerfull post..By the way, you can't even spell losing right, so how can you constitute a win?

Speeling and dislexxia are the ture signs of a genuius - loose the attidute - dude!

[Malim]

Once again! What a powerfull post..By the way, you can't even spell losing right, so how can you constitute a win?

Grow up Sweety System Error, everyone spells things wrong on the forums because in the end it's not that important.

What was that??? Did I hear your mother calling you to brush your teeth and go to bed?

BTW - powerfull is spelled powerful - or was that your attempt at sarcasm?

[szlamany]

I believe that he made the first spelling error with "immagrational".

I get picked on by my customers for not spelling lose and loose properly - we were just joking about that in a meeting today - funny he would point it out.

BTW - I've had my own software house since 1986 - when I decided that giving my proprietary rights to the lizard boss was no way to make it in the world! I've got a 1000 square feet - at nearly $2000 a month - the rent and electric can put you out of business! I love owning my own business - have great feelings of respect for my customers - as do they for me.

My kitchen was built by (probably) illegal Brazil'ians - house cleaned by maybe illegal Brazil'ians - lawn cut by the son of a landscaper - probably not on the books - what are you supposed to do?

[szlamany]

I've noticed it over the years, but I just got through watching an episode of Bill O'Reilly on immigration. It was talking about how 80% of immigrants(mexicans) are illegal. 32 million illegal mexicans now live in the USA, and have more benifits than most citizens. I don't understand that...They are allowed more rights and privaleges than any other immigrants like germans, italians, etc.. One thing they said on that show, was that a mexican(in specific) could come over sea's illegally, and get more benifits such as health, than a war veteran returning from war.

Now, I believe diversity is good, but chaos is weakness. Are our politician not paying immigration enough attention?

privaleges? Typing too fast were you?