VB.NET rants

[ALL]

when i found out that in order for someone to launch vb.net they had to have .net framework; i was PI$$ED!

because i spent $60 on somthing that the user has to have .net framework??? argh... i am not going to do that, like 40%-50% of the people i know dont even have framework. i liked vb6 because somthing like 98% of the users, have the files needed to run vb6 exe's.

MY SOLUTION: learn Visual C++ .NET

[Pc_Madness]

Errm... "MY SOLUTION: learn Visual C++ .NET", are you trying to be funny? :\

Anything with .Net on the end needs the .Net framework. And VB6 isn't always supported out of the box, 95 definitely doesn't support it... I dunno about 98.

Learn assembly if your worried about dependencies.

[BodwadUK]

Or stick to vb6

[Cander]

when i found out that in order for someone to launch vb.net they had to have .net framework; i was PI$$ED!

because i spent $60 on somthing that the user has to have .net framework??? argh... i am not going to do that, like 40%-50% of the people i know dont even have framework. i liked vb6 because somthing like 98% of the users, have the files needed to run vb6 exe's.

MY SOLUTION: learn Visual C++ .NET

Dont care. No ones fault you didnt know the product you were purchasing before you bought it except your own.

[demotivater]

^ rude

[Cander]

Well its true. Consumer education people.

[Sgt-Peppa]

^ rude

Considering it was Cander making that post, it was actually quite Polite!

[JPicasso]

You got Visual studio for $60!?

That makes me mad! I spent a couple of thousand dollars for an MSDN lic.

[BodwadUK]

$60 that about £30 and thats not fair

[NoteMe]

Errm... "MY SOLUTION: learn Visual C++ .NET", are you trying to be funny? :\

Anything with .Net on the end needs the .Net framework. And VB6 isn't always supported out of the box, 95 definitely doesn't support it... I dunno about 98.

Learn assembly if your worried about dependencies.

You don't have to use the managed part of VC++ .NET 03 even if you are using VC++ .NET 03. I don't...

[ALL]

well, i read in two places online that VC++ .net does not require .net framwork!

they may be wrong, but that is why i said that

[SLH]

If you code in C#, the MS' .net version of C++ you need the .net framework, but if you use VS to make a plain C++ program you shouldn't (i think).

[Maven]

Errm... "MY SOLUTION: learn Visual C++ .NET", are you trying to be funny? :\

Anything with .Net on the end needs the .Net framework. And VB6 isn't always supported out of the box, 95 definitely doesn't support it... I dunno about 98.

Learn assembly if your worried about dependencies.

Acutally that's not true, you don't have to use the .net framework in C++.

It's an option just like MFC or STL. You don't have to use it but it's there if you want to. I'm sure microsoft did this because most C programmers woudln't be too thrilled to have a lot of bloatware with their programs.

[Maven]

Acutally that's not true, you don't have to use the .net framework in C++.

On another note... C++ actually creates faster .net code in the 2005 edition of visual studio or so I've heard. The resaon is due to the long life span of C++ and all the optmizations that have went into it over the years.

[NoteMe]

Hehehehe...first I said that you don't have to use the framework if you are coding in VC++ .NET then ALL, then SLH, and then Maven, whos next...

[Sgt-Peppa]

didi someone mention already that you don't have to use the framework if you are coding in VC++.

Ok OK it was lame but you were asking for it Note!

[NoteMe]

HEhehee....I actualy didn't think anyone would even try to post a post like that one now..

[ALL]

hey, it could have been worse!, mendhak could have came in here, and started making sarcastic remarks (no offence mendhak)

[mendhak]

None taken.

[System_Error]

I haven't programmed in vb.net in long time, so correct me if I'm wrong...Isn't there a lisence that you can get from microsoft that allows you to package the .net framework into your deployable app?

[mendhak]

I don't believe you need a license to include the framework. If I'm wrong, it's news to me.

[mendhak]

Did you mean this: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...distdeploy.asp

[BodwadUK]

You dont need a license to use the .net framework

[System_Error]

Whenever I programmed in vb.net, it never let me include the .net framework needed for the application in the installation.

[plenderj]

Blah. You should be using Cω instead

My 3 latest posts are on Cω:
http://www.irishdev.com/blogs/plenderj

[System_Error]

What is c weird character? Is that somesort of IDE?

[plenderj]

You should really learn your Greek letters
That's the greek small letter omega. Cω is a research programming language by Microsoft.

Basically it provides further developments beyond C#, but it has some seriously cool features.
As far as I know its features should be in C# 3.0

Take a look at the 3 posts on my blog and you'll see why I think its cool

[System_Error]

You should really learn your Greek letters

Take a look at the 3 posts on my blog and you'll see why I think its cool

All I know is it's an sideways 3


I do like the looks of the syntax of that langauge, looks similar to java! I might have to take a look at learning it.

[plenderj]

Its the C# similarity that you're seeing. Cω extends on C# by providing some extra language enhancements, and a more strongly typed approach to SQL...

... its quite cool if you ask me

[wossname]

You have to distribute applications on CD these days there is no alternative, simply because of the volume of data being shipped out. So what is the difference if you also put the framework runtimes on the disc too?

No fv(king difference, thats what. Its a one-time thing anyway, it takes all of 60 seconds to install the framework. Plus, all new MS OS's are being shipped with the latest frameworks BUILT IN! So what is the problem?

Stop crying. Start developing.

{edited from a much less polite version by wossname}

[plenderj]

Christ... I hate to think what your original looked like

[wossname]

Christ... I hate to think what your original looked like

It probably would have resulted in "Banning with extreme predjudice". Me, my family, and all my friends would have been barred permanently.

[plenderj]

Chased with pitchforks if you will?

[mendhak]

That's a privilege reserved for NotLKHs posts.

[wossname]

Chased with pitchforks if you will?

*gothic*

[Merrion]

After millions of years of of evolution, this is what you are doing with your opposable thumbs.
Had the organic compounds meandering around the primordial soup known that it would come to this, I don't think they'd have bothered.

[plenderj]

Had the organic compounds meandering around the primordial soup known that it would come to this, I don't think they'd have bothered.

Had the organic compounds meandering around the primordial soup been developed enough to posess cognitive abilities we wouldn't be having this discussion right now

[kleinma]

within a year, we should start to see some commercial apps built off the framework... (like ATI's control panel for their graphics card) this will make .net application deployment easier.... all you need to do is state that the .net framework is needed, and tell people to visit windowsupdate.microsoft.com to get it.. if your app is going out on CD, then unless its huge, you shouldn't have a problem squeezing the framework on the CD with the app...

[plenderj]

Well I've been producing ASP.NET applications for quite a while now. Commercial apps for companies...

[JPicasso]

"forcing" users to download the .NET framework is no lessannoying than
"forcing" them to download the JAVA runtimes




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