network

[Pino]

ok i asked this a while ago and cant find the post basicly i now have 2 pc's and there about 3 foot from each other and i need to network them, whats the cheepest way to make them both share and internet connection?

[dglienna]

if they both have network cards, and the connection is by modem, then you can use Internet Connection Sharing (on everything from W98 and up)
The host will dole out an IP address, and the client will be able to use the connection and share files.
Run the ICS wizard on the host. It will even let you make a client disk to configure things.

I think you can even use serial access without network cards, but this is more work. Look up peer-to-peer networking.

[Pino]

what kind of equipment do i need? cables and stuff?

[dglienna]

just a normal CAT-5 network cable that'll reach between the two machines, and two network cards. real simple. back in the day, it was the ONLY way to share connections. If you upgrade to high-speed, this will still work to share the connection, but you would be better off adding equipment so that either machine could be on while the other is off. Now, the host must be on and connected to share the connection on the client.

[Pino]

well one of my machines will ALLWays be on

[dglienna]

if you have the networking cards, you just need a LAN cable.

[Danial]

Originally posted by Pino
well one of my machines will ALLWays be on

If you get a router then you wont need to leave any machine on all the time, though a router will cost you few pound.

[dsheller]

Originally posted by dglienna
just a normal CAT-5 network cable that'll reach between the two machines, and two network cards. real simple. back in the day, it was the ONLY way to share connections. If you upgrade to high-speed, this will still work to share the connection, but you would be better off adding equipment so that either machine could be on while the other is off. Now, the host must be on and connected to share the connection on the client.

I am pretty sure if you are going NIC <=> NIC you are going to need a patch cable.

[dglienna]

not for ICS. don't need a patch cable (if you mean with pins reversed on one side). just a CAT-5 LAN cable, which is also called a patch cable. same as going from router to PC

[visualAd]

If you are connecting two Network Cards you need a crossover cable - if you use a standard cable then it won't work . However if you are connecting to a router you neet a standard network cable.

[dsheller]

There you go visual ad, knew it was one of those weirdo cables, I tried a standard one before and never worked =)

[Pino]

so if i had this set up then

PC1 (allways on) >>>>>> Connected >>>> Internet
        ^
Network Card
        ^ 
        ^
(Cross over cable)
        ^
        ^
Network Card
        ^
PC2 (can use internet When pc1 is on)

would that work?

[visualAd]

That would work - you need to make sure you set the IP addresses of the two computers to the same subnet.

192.168.0.1

and

192.168.0.2

Would work.

[Pino]

how do i do that? is there a guide out there?


will it be ok if one computer is running xp and the other is running 2k (server)?

[visualAd]

I think (not sure) the computer you set ICS up on will be responsible for giving the other computer an IP address.

You'll just need to configure the other computer to atomatically obtain an IP address. You can do this by going into the porperties of the TCP/IP on your network connection configuration. I'll post some screen shots when I get back - but for now I'm off.

[Pino]

anyone know of a guide on how to do this? thanks visual ad you've helped me grasp the idea

[dglienna]

It could be that I had a 4 port hub coming out of PC1 (the host)
If you run the Internet Connection Wizard, it will do everything for you. I never used a Crossover cable (although I did have one) because the hub took care of everything. Hubs are very cheap, anyways. So, I stand corrected.
1 hub and 2 LAN cables.
I thold you that it was a long time ago...
PC1 -> Hub -> PC2
Host Client
ICS DHCP automatically (or use client)

Use same Workgroup name to be able to share files

[dglienna]

Here is a link:

[Pino]

ok would th following image work,

what kind of software changes do i need to make, if any?

[Pino]

ok apart from hardware do i need any specific files from the win2k disk, its just i cant find that disk, the person i bought it off obviously hasnt give it to me, i do however have the xp disk

[dglienna]

I don't think that you need either one. When you run ICS, it will let you make a diskette for the client, but all it does is do the necessary stuff, like workgroup, turn on DHCP, etc. W2K i automatically set up for networking to work. If you had the card in when you installed, odds are that it will work.

[Pino]

ok i kinda got the netowrk set up, and yes windows did give me a disk but it doesnt work on windows 2k (so windows 2k tells me)

i have a network set up where i can pass files over, but no internet connection sharing how can i solve this one?

[Pino]

also if i view files on the xp pc from the win 2k pc its fine, but if i try to view files from the 2k pc on the xp pc, xp prompts me for a password and username :-/

[Pino]

ok everything is working apart from internet connection sahring , which just isnt happening

[dglienna]

create an account for the computer on the W2000 machine.
I have one on my workstation, and print to its printer from my wireless laptop.
describe what you did for ICS. On the W2K machine as the host, or the other way around. Can you still access the internet from the host? That's the one that you need ICS on.

[Pino]

Ok heres what i did...

pluged all cables in, used the set up home network wizard on xp said i was dialing through another computer to get to the net etc etc it all worked, then set up the 2k one, i got the file sharing Lan set up and i can play games over the lan,

as for internet connection sharing i right clicked on my modem (in the network connections folder) and clciked share tab then allow internet connection sharing,


win2k is the server at the mo and xp connecting to it, i can change that if its a problem though

any ideas?

[visualAd]

Here's a tutorial - with screen shots - on how to configure clients for ICS: http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...n2k_client.htm

[dglienna]

that's the problem on the W2k machine, you want it to be the client of the XP machine. The XP machine is the HOST because it is dialing into the internet to share the connection.

I am surprised that you aren't getting an error, as the will both try and use the same IP address if they're the host. It may be that ICS won't come into play until you go online, which would then generate an error. From the command prompt, type
IPCONFIG on the W2K machine, and post what it says for the IP addresses and such. Just run IPCONFIG > capture.txt, and paste that.