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    Programs that start automatically

    I'm getting one of those XP error messages about MS Messenger crashing when I log into the computer. I assumed Messenger was scheduled to load automatically but I couldn't find any reference on the register (CurrentUser/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Run) so maybe that's not the place to look for it?
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    If yo simply want to see if it is one of the items on startup i would just goto Run and type in msconfig and then click on the startup tab to see if it starts automatically with the computer. If you want to find it in the registry the best thing to do is do a search for msnmsgr.

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    Try this program to manage your startup http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml it shows you everything that loads in their respected areas and very easy to add and mange your startup programs.
    I use Microsoft Visual Basic 2005. (Therefore, most code samples I provide will be based around the .NET Framework v2.0, unless otherwise specified)

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    Originally posted by Ideas Man
    Try this program to manage your startup http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml it shows you everything that loads in their respected areas and very easy to add and mange your startup programs.
    That's a good applet, thank you.
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    Originally posted by System_Error
    If yo simply want to see if it is one of the items on startup i would just goto Run and type in msconfig and then click on the startup tab to see if it starts automatically with the computer. If you want to find it in the registry the best thing to do is do a search for msnmsgr.
    I couldn't find it with any of these 2 methods. It is surprising that it wasn't in the registry either, are you sure the syntax is exactly msnmsgr?
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    I can see that MSN starts up with SpyBot Search and Destroy, using the advanced menu. Have you tried that?

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    No..Not sure if that is exactly what it is.

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    This is what I can see...but I am running Win2K tho'...



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    If something is running on startup, then it is under HKLM or HKCU or in the startup folder. Use REGEDIT, that's what it's there for i think windows messenger puts something in startup, not too sure.
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    Originally posted by CORONA BEER
    If something is running on startup, then it is under HKLM or HKCU or in the startup folder. Use REGEDIT, that's what it's there for i think windows messenger puts something in startup, not too sure.
    The thing is I didn't find anything under HKLM or HKCU, nor in Startup. That's why I was asking in an earlier post whether the exact word to search for was mnsmsgr or messenger or msnmsg, or something else.
    The error message is really plagueing my desktop ever more often.
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    Dude i dont know what else to say, lol

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    Its usually under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

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    Originally posted by CORONA BEER
    Dude i dont know what else to say, lol
    Just ask what I posted above (or say no more )
    "That's why I was asking in an earlier post whether the exact word to search for was mnsmsgr or messenger or msnmsg, or something else."
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    why dont you take a screenshot of your registry under the startup keys, and post it, here is what mine looks like. you shouldnt have anything under these keys unless it is necessary, because it slows down your boot up time into windows and slows down your pc in general.

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    Include the Run keys from both HKCU and HKLM. They both have run Keys that can launch progs at startup.

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    P.S.

    What happenned to the RunServices keys? They used to let you run a service before User Logon.

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    i think in xp you have to do some special crap to register a service. i dont think there is a reg key.

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    There is a regkey that points to the services, it's located at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\CurrentControlSet\Services
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    I don't have that key.

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    That's Windows XP, Windows 2000 BTW.
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    I have XP Pro and its not there.

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    OOps, sorry, forgot a key, it should be HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services
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    Now that I have Do you think you can put your own key in there and have it run on startup?

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    Maybe, but I highly recommend against it. If you have Microsoft Visual Studio .NET, use the installutil utility to install a service, it's designed to install a Windows service you write, but you may be able to do it for other programs.
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    Originally posted by CORONA BEER
    why dont you take a screenshot of your registry under the startup keys, and post it, here is what mine looks like.
    This is what my relevant keys look like.
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    Originally posted by krtxmrtz
    This is what my relevant keys look like.
    Well i know for a fact you can safely delete
    Microsoft office from startup
    and kernel fault check from HKLM/RUN
    I still see no reference to msnmsgr.
    What exactly is the error message you are getting?

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    Originally posted by CORONA BEER
    Well i know for a fact you can safely delete
    Microsoft office from startup
    and kernel fault check from HKLM/RUN
    I still see no reference to msnmsgr.
    What exactly is the error message you are getting?
    I don't use MsMsgr so it's not the error message that I'm concerned about, rather the fact that it persistently tries to load at startup.

    But never mind, I've found it in
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services
    as pointed out by IdeasMan.

    Thanks for your hints.
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    Originally posted by myself
    I don't use MsMsgr so it's not the error message that I'm concerned about, rather the fact that it persistently tries to load at startup.

    But never mind, I've found it in
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services
    as pointed out by IdeasMan.

    Thanks for your hints.
    Damn it, I stopped the service -I think- but the thing is still nagging me.
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    You most probably disabled the Messenger service which is in no way related to Windows Messenger or MSN Messenger.
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    Originally posted by krtxmrtz
    Damn it, I stopped the service -I think- but the thing is still nagging me.
    Your never really going to get anything solved until you tell us what the error is, and you have to go into administrator tools to stop messenger service, it is supposed to be stopped no matter what because they send you spam through it.

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    Originally posted by Ideas Man
    You most probably disabled the Messenger service which is in no way related to Windows Messenger or MSN Messenger.
    I'm afraid you're right, I actually thought it was the same thing.
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    Originally posted by CORONA BEER
    Your never really going to get anything solved until you tell us what the error is, and you have to go into administrator tools to stop messenger service, it is supposed to be stopped no matter what because they send you spam through it.
    I'll take a snapshot of the error message as soon as I lay hands on my home pc.
    And I don't understand how I'm getting these messages after I stopped the service. I must have done something wrong.
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    Originally posted by CORONA BEER
    Your never really going to get anything solved until you tell us what the error is
    Here's the first of 3 images. I suppose translation will be unnecessary.


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    Ok try this, goto
    Start Button->Programs->Administrative Tools->Services :
    In Services, scroll down until you see Messenger :
    Right click->Properties :
    In Properties select Startup Type = Disabled.
    Apply->OK.
    Reboot computer.

    (NOTE: If you cannot find Administrative Tools, Rightclick Taskbar->Properties->Start Menu->Customize->Advanced :
    Scroll down until you see System Administrative Tools :
    Select display on programs menu.)
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    Originally posted by CORONA BEER
    Ok try this, ...
    OK, I'll try it tonight and see what happens...
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    I did exactly as you indicated and even booted the computer.
    To no avail. Still getting the same error message.

    On the other hand, is it really the messenger service I need to disable? The error message refers to msmsgs.exe, is that the messenger service itself or microsoft messenger? If it's the latter, then I'd rather prevent it from running at Windows startup.
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    ok try this, we were stopping the wrong service, we were stopping messenger when we needed to be stopping Windows Messenger.

    # Click Start, click Run, type gpedit.msc, and then press ENTER.
    # Go to Local Computer Policy->Computer Configuration->Administrative Templates->Windows Components->
    Windows Messenger:
    Double-click Do not allow Windows Messenger to run:
    Select Enabled.
    Click OK
    Reboot, the error should be gone.

    If you still get the error, your last option would be to use your xp disk and do a repair on your OS.
    Last edited by CORONA BEER; Aug 6th, 2004 at 05:49 AM.

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    Originally posted by CORONA BEER
    # Click Start, click Run, type gpedit.msc, and then press ENTER
    Now guess what... you bet, file not found!!!
    That's what a search of *.msc produced:

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