REALBasic

[BluesMatt]

Anyone know anything about REALBasic?

It looks relatively inexpensive, yet powerful. I just downloaded a demo which I will play with shortly. In the meantime, I though I'd post a thread here.

[vbNeo]

Post a link ?

[BluesMatt]

http://www.realbasic.com/

[vbNeo]

Looks nice - I'm gonna stick to C++ though =).

[BluesMatt]

Interesting that you said you'll stick to C++. With the changes in VB over the years, I have decided that it is in my best interest to switch to C++.

How would you recommend a VB programmer learn C++? Any particular book(s) that you'd recommend? (I prefer books that start from the beginning (assuming nothing) and move forward in a pragmatic way.)

thanks

[vbNeo]

Originally posted by BluesMatt
Interesting that you said you'll stick to C++. With the changes in VB over the years, I have decided that it is in my best interest to switch to C++.

How would you recommend a VB programmer learn C++? Any particular book(s) that you'd recommend? (I prefer books that start from the beginning (assuming nothing) and move forward in a pragmatic way.)

thanks

I see, we're in the same situation then =) - I just read a book called 'C++ Something Book' by Jesse Liberty, it starts off from the beginning, and it allows you to easily jump over the parts you already understand, though it all is good reading since it differs very much from VB. Next I'm going to get a book on using the MFC Api Wrapper to write windows applications, and see how it goes from there. Good luck .

[Bombdrop]

I'm not to sure about the C++ road myself? But in regaurds to RealBasic I too am looking into it it seems an excellent alternative to VB.Net( something i'm not inpressed with) Trully complied code that has cross platform cababilities. C++ may be very powerfully but the BASIC language VB6 and now RealBasic give it a run for it's money in terms of buisness applications.

[vbNeo]

Originally posted by Bombdrop
I'm not to sure about the C++ road myself? But in regaurds to RealBasic I too am looking into it it seems an excellent alternative to VB.Net( something i'm not inpressed with) Trully complied code that has cross platform cababilities. C++ may be very powerfully but the BASIC language VB6 and now RealBasic give it a run for it's money in terms of buisness applications.

It still doesn't give you the oppprtunity to manage memory as you can in C++, and it really doesn't give you a basic understanding on how everything works, which is a very good 'tool' to have when building new solutions.

[Yogi Yang]

I feel for developers wanting to switch from VB to C++ don't go through VC. If u want an environment like VB but with C++ language then try out Borlands C++ Builder. There is also a freeware personal edition available for download from Borlands Site check it out.

I am at present trying it out for myself. IT is just great.

The best part is that the original developers (8 in all) of Delphi and C++ Builder and also J++ Builder were purchased off by Microsoft and they have developed .NET for Microsoft. So before u go to .NET tryout Borlands C++ Builder.

[vbNeo]

I'm using the Bloodshed Dev-C++ IDE and I find it to be really... really good, sufficiant and not overwhelming, with a built in compiler.

[BluesMatt]

vbNeo, Are you writing Windows apps using Bloodshed?

[vbNeo]

Originally posted by BluesMatt
vbNeo, Are you writing Windows apps using Bloodshed?

I'm not that far yet =), But yes, I'm planning to

[Pino]

move on to c# the reviews i've seen of it are amazing the power of c++ with the DE of VB

[vbNeo]

Originally posted by Pino
move on to c# the reviews i've seen of it are amazing the power of c++ with the DE of VB

no way am I gonna be bound by yet another M$ technology, I'll stick to the real deal for now.

[Bombdrop]

C# even though it is devloped and produced by MS is in the posistion of languages such a ECMA Script other size called JavaScript or JScript we already sen differing ways in implemtenting C# via the mono project it does not use window forms for its gui's instead uses GTK. C# is as very nice and elagant language and is not to hard for someone with VB6 experiance to pick up (even i can use it).

C# will be the main .Net lanuage

[BluesMatt]

What is the difference between Visual C++ and C#?

I am trying to decide if switching to either of these two languages makes sense. I program in VB now and enjoy the RAD capabilities of VB. I don't want to lose that, but I am concerned that the cost and complexity of VB is getting out of control.

Apparently MS is thinking about this point as well. I recently read that by mid-2005, MS will be releasing lite versions of their tools specifically to support the small app and hobyist developer (which out number the professional developer by 3). Has anyone else read this?

My original thoughts were to switch to C++ since Windows and many other apps are written in it. (RealBASIC is written written with 20,000 liines of C++.)

[Bombdrop]

C# is a mix between C++ and VB in my opion . uses the simple 'dot' notation for accessing methods of object does not have the horror of using pointers as in C++.

The main problem is getting your head round really using OPP's ( as in vb6 we were sheltered) the transisiton from VB6 to vb.Net is really the same as going from VB6 to C#. the main advantage C# has is that it is the language of choice on MSDN

[vbNeo]

Originally posted by Bombdrop
C# is a mix between C++ and VB in my opion . uses the simple 'dot' notation for accessing methods of object does not have the horror of using pointers as in C++.

The main problem is getting your head round really using OPP's ( as in vb6 we were sheltered) the transisiton from VB6 to vb.Net is really the same as going from VB6 to C#. the main advantage C# has is that it is the language of choice on MSDN

Pointers is one of the things I LIKE about C++, they really are good to teach you a good programming style, if you learn to control them that is