I don't think so but later on I'm going to brake the dc appart using 32 bit code. That'll confirm as it will fail if it is not. What I'm narrowing it down to is that Inverted DC holds it's inverted qualities and inverts every time I do a srccopy on it in 98 not so in xp - it seems to cancell out and turn black. I'll have it isolated to just one or two steps in a day or two and I'll post it. Thanks