The situation in South Africa

[jovton]

Anyone of you up to date on the latest information about the upcoming genocide and massacre of white people that's going to happen full scale in South Africa after Mandela's death? (Which might not be very far from now) Is this just a racist rumor? I've heard too many people now saying it's real. Am I nuts?

Do you people even know about something like this? I'm asking because I myself live here, and I need to know the rest of the world's opinions are, where to find aid for preperations and self-defence in case this thing's real. If you people think I'm nuts, Google helps: "Uhuru" AND "genocide".

[PineyWoodsJimbo]

It's not impossible for anyone; white, black, or other; to get killed after a charasmatic leader dies. Plus any time there is a crowd... The people my old company worked with in South Africa have already left for safety reasons.

If you are really worried, my advice is to be ready with cash, at least one passport, and most of your assets already moved somewhere else. It also would be a good idea to stay close to where you can get out fast.

[MasterBlaster]

Personally I'd buy a few automatic rifles, a bunch of ammo, some dynamite and a pint of good tequilla, then take as many of those crazy basterds to hell with me as I could.

PS: drink the tequilla first.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I'd say rumors, for now, but who knows. Spread enough rumors, and they may become facts.

[BodwadUK]

What country are you from. You can seek help from your countries embassy. Prepare just in case though if you want to leave then i would leave asap anyway it is a bit unstable at the moment

[ballbuster]

A stinkin' smell swirls in the air
It's Africa, so better take care
There's a man with machetti over there
Makin' gestures --- To beware

Better run, hey, jump that town
Don't look back at what's goin' down

Though things aren't always fair
There's one thing that's fairly clear
The world, the UN don't care
They're too busy --- getting their share

Better run, hey, jump that town
Don't look back at what's goin' down
Run, hey, jump that town
Don't look back at what's goin' down.

[jovton]

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
Personally I'd buy a few automatic rifles, a bunch of ammo, some dynamite and a pint of good tequilla, then take as many of those crazy basterds to hell with me as I could.

It's not as easy to obtain weaponry in SA as it is in the USA. The new weapon laws makes it increasingly difficult here to obtain.

Originally posted by Shaggy Hiker
I'd say rumors, for now, but who knows. Spread enough rumors, and they may become facts.

Rumors? In 1997 virtually every single black in SA knew about this. Here, the original post may be in a different (my native) language, but if you want me to translate, I can do that for you.

http://www.stormfront.org/archive/t-83838

Originally posted by BodwadUK
What country are you from. You can seek help from your countries embassy. Prepare just in case though if you want to leave then i would leave asap anyway it is a bit unstable at the moment.

What country am I from? Is that a question? South Africa of course. I was born here. Ballbuster, it be kinda sad to leave my home country like this, 'specially after what I've learned of its history and experiences I've had within thus far. 22 Years does something to a man. Many people might not agree with the fact that I'm indigenous to this country. My forefolks was also born and raised here, and we have developed our own culture and language. So many people have such a distorted image about South Africa, and about its past. But hey, that's the media, and it's part of life I guess.

[jovton]

By the way... http://www.africancrisis.org

[PineyWoodsJimbo]

Jovton-

Please translate as much of that as you care to. I'd like to read it.

Also, I remember reading a book by Douglas Casey a long time ago called The International Man which was written in the 1970s. He was wrong about how quickly the political reality in SA would change, but correct about the consequences.

I know that things were not perfect before the "democratic" changes, but it really saddens me that things have since gotten worse than I ever would have thought. (I looked at the website you linked to above.) And I thought they would be bad.

It is one thing to die for your country. It is another to die because of it. Our ancestors all had to make such decisions. (Well, not mine. They were prisoners, heretics, and slaves.)

If the return for being South African and being in South Africa is dramatically lower than the cost, and there is little chance of it improving any time soon, and you have the means to leave, you probably should get out while you can. I have friends from Argentina, Panama, and other places whose families made sure that they got to safer places before matters deteriorated even more. It is always easier to get out earlier than later.

Have you thought about the UK, New Zealand, or Australia? Or for that matter, Canada or the US?

Good luck.

[demotivater]

Not sure if leaving is the right advice. Maybe stay and try to create change (while not getting killed) is better? Then again, if my family hadn't left their home country, I probably wouldn't be in as good of a situation as I am now.

I read some message boards filled with white vs. black comments regarding S.A. - man, there were some pissed off people posting - some of the messages were almost scary. Sounds like a big ****storm is either going to, or is already happening there.

[Shaggy Hiker]

It takes alot to kill alot. Massacres are fairly rare. However, if you feel it likely (it certainly has happened here and there), you had best leave. It would suck to be driven out of your country, but would it really be better to be planted in it?

[jovton]

Here is the original post that circulates via e-mail:


In 1990, Mandela visited Russia. The Kremlin then gave
him a completely worked-out plan, that would only be
executed once Mandela isn't there (alive) anymore. The plan
is known under several different names in the different
provinces of South Africa - OPERATION WHITE CLEAN-UP,
OPERATION UHURU, NIGHT OF THE LONG KNIVES, OPERATION
IRON EAGLE, and a few others. The plan was roughly this:

"That foreign blacks out of Africa must go and settle
themselves in and around the big cities in South Africa,
for whom F.W. De Klerk had fling wide open the doors to
South Africa around the time of 1994 elections. It would
enable them to execute the plan fairly effortlessly. They
only have to wait for the signal. And what was the signal?

In 1997 already, basically every single black in
South Africa knew that the death of their beloved mandiba
(Mandela) would be the trigger.

Upon their Siener-van-Rensburg-tour in 2001 through the
land, writer Adriaan Snyman and colleague Chris Botha had
received confirmation of this incident on at least 6 (six)
different places, about the planned night-attack on
Johannesburg the day Mandela is burried. Renouned teachers
at different universities in South Africa also know about
this.

Many towns and villages in different parts of the
countryside have also already been targeted (with the
operation been labled "Iron Eagle") and stands under control
of the South African army.

It has though apearantly come to knowledge that several
extremistic blacks have become quite impatient because
Mandela does not want to lay down his head (die), because
a time ago, a faction in Johannesburg was on the brink to
start an attack in Johannesburg, and they had to be hastily
stopped. The only measure that would work was to call in the
help of many taxi-drivers -- and they painted the following
message on the back of their vehicles: "WAIT! NOT YET UHURU!"

It has been calculated that roughly 70,000 armed blacks can be
transported from the black neighbourhoods around Johannesburg,
right to the center of the city, within an hour. Great amounts
of AK-47's, ammunition, handgrenades, and even petrol-bombs are
secretly transported via trucks during the night to different
points in Mosselbaai. It also occurs in parts of all the
other 9 (nine) provinces. When a white police officer confronted
his fellow black colleague about this, and said "I know about
your plans", his colleague just laughed and replied: "We don't
care if you know it. We don't even care if ALL of the white
people know it, because there won't be damn thing you can do
about it!" The white police officer could not answer back. He
only realized in great astonishment that it is the truth.

Behind the scenes, the blacks are co-working with the British
and the Americans on the plans of Operation Uhuru and
-Iron Eagle. They will use the death of Mandela to sow anarchy.

A senior ANC advisor, Mzukisi Gaba, had told a white police
officer who arrested him for drunk-driving when he allegedly
drove on the wrong side of the highway in the cape, "The day
Mandela dies, we will kill you whites like flies."

This news article was posted in 1996 in the Cape Argus. In
contrast, the murders on white South Africans, especially the
"Afrikaners", has already started. The official newspaper of
the political party "Herstigte Nasionale Party" (HNP) or better
known in English as the "Refounded National Party", had
published an article "Plaasmoorde maai onder die Afrikaners",
translated to "Farm-murders causes havoc under Afrikaners", that
since 1991 up until 2002, the death toll has risen past 1287.
(Today it is 1400+). More white farmers had already died during
this time, than in the time of the bosoorlog, translated "Bush-war".
The "war of the flea" is being fought against the whites, in other
words, an unexplainable war.

At the time of this writing, Mandela was treated for prostate
cancer and thus does not have a much time left to live. And to
make matters worse, there is now the new weapon laws that will
be forced down especially on the whites, so as to unarm (passify)
them, so they cannot defend themselves in that "Great Day" and so
that "Operation White Clean-Up" can be exectued with greater ease.

Our problems are indeed much worse than we are willing to admit!



Well, in the post, there is mentioned something about the blacks
co-working together with the British and the Americans in this plan.
In contrast to this, I would like to say that I do not believe
this to be true! I'm not saying this so as to spare my own ass
against the british and american users on this board, but merely want
to disagree with this statement UNTIL it can be PROVEN. Because,
where in the heck have you heard about something like that? I agree
with the statement that "the world and the UN don't care", but this...
this is probably a statement out of paranoia by some anti-american
who thinks that they might only be interested in S.A. as a valueble
resource asset. I assure you, they would think twice when they disover
the many of their American/British citizens roaming here.

As for the rest of the story, a simple Google search with relevant
key terms like "uhuru" and "whites" will bring up fascinating, and
confirming results!

[demotivater]

After reading that post, this is starting to smack of a conspiracy theory type thing. Very few, if any, facts in that article.

[Cander]

Sounds like an urban legend gotten out of hand.

And multiple google hits on a subject doesnt make it true.

I can get multiple hits on planet x which was a planet that was supposed to ram us last year.

[jovton]

demotivator, Cander, your arguments make sense. I admit that it has crossed my mind a thousand times already, that this whole thing might just be as you say "a conspiracy theory type of thing" spiralled out of control. Maybe. Or it might be that the reality of the truth will hit us in the face when it is too late, as in the case with Zimbabwe. Oh well. *sigh* That e-mail post seems too un-factual to me anyway.

[PineyWoodsJimbo]

Sorry this is so long.

Well, you know, I would think that maybe it is an urban legend too, but think about this.

When I was a kid, the US had groups that were quite active. Among others was a group called Weatherman, later the Weather Underground. They were fools in the classic Leninist sense: They thought the best thing to do when part of something is wrong is to destroy everything and worry about what to do afterward for afterward. They actually did do some incredibly cruel, revolutionary things. Weatherman turned out to be even more psychotic than the ultra-paranoid Black Panthers. They bombed dozens of places, killing and mutilating, and robbed an armor truck, killing a guard (guards?). I have vague memories of these clowns and have seen them lately on the tube. They trouble me even now because they still don't seem to get the insanity of their thoughts and actions. They were very much like soviets and Nazis in that, if you disagreed with them, the best you could hope for was to get clubbed out of the way.

My point is that Weatherman was small, really small. If you take psycho attitudes like theirs and add to them broad, sympathetic sentiment, paranoia, and when mandiba kicks the bucket, hysterical mobs; you have big problems. Even if people are just widely joking about it now, they won't be when they are under heavy emotion. Whoever is perceived to be responsible for their pain will be in extreme danger, whether it makes sense or not.

I stand by my assertion that, regardless of your race, if you believe you are at risk, you must be prepared to get safe, that is, leave. Pretty much 100% of those who try to leave early, actually leave. Once things get hairy, the odds go way down.

[PineyWoodsJimbo]

Poor Jovton, I guess they got him.

[jovton]

LOL.

not yet. I mean, perhaps never.

I mean... why not stand to defend my ground? There must be some info somewhere about fortifications n stuff.

I can't afford leaving now. Not enough money.

How does seeking asylum in another country work?

[Wally Pipp]

pretend you're insane and they'll let you back in into the Mother Country

[mudfish]

Originally posted by jovton

I mean... why not stand to defend my ground? There must be some info somewhere about fortifications n stuff.

I do not think you should try this!

[PineyWoodsJimbo]

In any case, you do not have to classify yourself as a refugee, but...

Is South Africa still part of the Commonwealth? Is there still a Commonwealth? If the answer is yes to both questions, then your ability to permanently relocate to desirable places is even better.

Talk with the consulate. See about emigrating. Australia used to have pretty open doors.

Since you have skills that most countries desire, you could probably go just about anywhere.

[NotLKH]

Here's a thought.

You might gain inspiration if you read the book; Black Like Me


-Lou

[PineyWoodsJimbo]

You can get inspiration from a lot of places. Claude Brown's Manchild in the Promised Land is excellent. However, I think that you are living in a situation that English and American folks have severe difficulty understanding. It is well and good to talk about peace and love, but if you are dealing with a mob, or even one lunatic, there is no appealing to higher level thinking. You do what you want, but I can tell you from having moved away from one of the worst cities in the US what a relief it is to be gone. By the way, it was Memphis, and the big news as I drove out of town was about a woman who was abducted in her car, beaten, repeatedly raped, run over, put in the trunk alive, and the burned to death when the four lunatics who raped her torched the car. This in a nice neighborhood.

[Wally Pipp]

Naah, not Australia. He hasn't got a criminal record ...

[lokespas]

stormfront.org ????

stop reading neo nazi propagana

[NotLKH]

What I was suggesting was what the student in the 60's or early 70's did, and chronicled in his book. He chemically died his skin to a proper shade, and I think he had some cosmetic surgury done, along with chemically treating his hair, such that he could pass as an african american.

Albiet he did it for personel research purposes, the inspiration I was suggesting was that if jovton wanted to stay in SA, he might consider going undercover as a black gent.

{BTW, Eddie Murphy did an excellent job spoofing "Black Like Me" on SNL, Doing it in reverse}


-Lou

[jovton]

Originally posted by lokespas
stormfront.org ????

stop reading neo nazi propagana

And what is neo nazi progaganda all about? Stopping international "jewry"? What's it got to do with the situation in SA?

[jovton]

btw... I'm not into that stuff. No one has ever convinced me yet about this so-called "jewry".

[yrwyddfa]

Sounds like crap to me.

[jovton]

Here is probably one of the hate speech web sites that demotivator talked about:

http://southafrica.indymedia.org/new...73_comment.php

[demotivater]

Originally posted by jovton
Here is probably one of the hate speech web sites that demotivator talked about:

http://southafrica.indymedia.org/new...73_comment.php

That's exactly the one I was looking at. I laughed at alot of it, but I'm not sure how funny it really is.

[Ex-FB]

I had to laugh at this bit

. White activists in the West would ask why the rhetoric of multiracialists never includes the possible suffering that Whites might experience if the controversial multiracial experiment being performed on them fails.

oooohhhh. yes, it's such a controversial multiracial experiment giving blacks the vote....... unlike every other democratic country in the world....

Excuse me, I'm off to experiment with that controversial subject gravity........


*thunk*...... yip, it still works over here

[Wally Pipp]

Laughable yes but it isn't funny. These buggers really mean it.

[Ex-FB]

True, but you have to laugh at them for being so transparent.

I mean, I bet theres a Belgium separist party or something that you guys all laugh at.... (I know we laugh at the Quebecer's). For much the same reasons, they distort facts so massively that they become charactures.

"Free Quebec!", yes the Canadian government is known for it's oppressiveness and has a world wide reputation for violence....