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    Question Proof of Prime ? HELP!

    Here's a challange for everyone.

    This is an algebra question:

    Let Pn be the nth positive prime in the usual ordering. Use induction to prove that Pn <= 2^2^(n-1).

    (Hint: Use proof of infinetly many primes)

    Please help anyway you can.

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    Proof of infinitely many primes

    Sure, here it is:

    Suppose that there exist only finitely many primes p1 < p2 < ... < pr. Let N = (p1)(p2)...(pr) > 2. The integer N-1, being a product of primes, has a prime divisor pi in common with N; so, pi divides N - (N-1) =1, which is absurd!

    (I copied this from http://www.utm.edu/research/primes/n...e/kummers.html).

    This is the same proof that my prof. used in class.

    Hopefully this helps answer the question.

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    Talking hmmm...

    I know this isn't really the point but...

    Pn <= 2^2^(n-1)

    Isn't this an obscenely high Upper bound for the nth prime? Isn't there some Sieve-of-thatgreekguy that could help out with this?

    Anyway, the proof itself isn't too hard, just uses strong induction. as in, assume true for all previous (n-1) primes, then multiply together...
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    Question still confused....

    sorry, still confused.

    How does the Sieve-of-Eratosthenes help with this? From what I know, it is used to find all primes <= to n (where n is any number).

    When you say multiply together, could you be more specific?

    Thanks for all your help.

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    Well here goes, I'm ad-libbing this:

    First, see if it's true for n = 1:

    LHS = 2
    RHS = 2 <= LHS so yeah it holds for n = 1.

    Now suppose it's true for n = k (where k is a positive integer), i.e. that Pk <= 2^2^(k-1).

    Square both sides (no problems there because both sides are always positive):

    Pk2 <= 2^2^k

    At which point I don't know what to do. Usually you play with that until you end up with:

    Pk+1 <= 2^2^k

    Upon which you shout "hazaar" three times and leave the room, but I can't immediately see how to continue and it's getting late.

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    apply bertrand's postulate
    Last edited by bugzpodder; Feb 28th, 2004 at 08:13 PM.
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