NTFS boot disk

[cid]

I love NTFS but when it comes to pre-boot up operations NTFS blows. As we all know NTFS partitions are not reconized with most boot disk. So I have a win 2k machine and the registry is corrupted no big deal right?
Im thinkin ill run:

scanreg /restore

But NO the hard drive is NTFS and is not reconized pre-boot. So I was wondering if anyone knew of a win 2k NTFS boot disk. Because the setup boot disk sucks. I just want a plain floppy boot disk.

[VisionIT]

You need something called NTFSDOS... from sysinternals.com / .co.uk

That provides r+ access to all files and partitions...

[Kasracer]

Start-up in the recovery console, it can read NTFS.

[VisionIT]

Originally posted by kasracer
Start-up in the recovery console, it can read NTFS.

How is that going to help when he asked...

I just want a plain floppy boot disk.

[Kasracer]

Originally posted by VisionIT
How is that going to help when he asked...

Simple: Floppies suck and are not needed anymore, just use the CD.

[VisionIT]

Originally posted by kasracer
Simple: Floppies suck and are not needed anymore, just use the CD.

Thats the sort of response I expected.

I agree technology has moved on a great deal since the floppy drive, but it's still widely used across many industries as a reliable means of backing up work. 1000's of businesses can't be wrong!

[DiGiTaIErRoR]

If you search for bootdisk I'm sure you'll find one capable of mounting an NTFS partition in pure DOS. I have, and it worked exceptionally.

[Lightning]

Look here it might help you out
or maybe try some linux boot floppy....

[Ideas Man]

Originally posted by VisionIT
I agree technology has moved on a great deal since the floppy drive, but it's still widely used across many industries as a reliable means of backing up work. 1000's of businesses can't be wrong! [/B]

I don't want to start an argument but IMO, that is far from the truth, I've found them to be unreliable and most annoying, getting a USB flash disk was the best thing i ever bought.

To get back on topic, you should be able to do things like that from the recovery console, that's what it's designed for.

[VisionIT]

USB hard drives are great providing the usb hub and root drivers are working properly, and the OS is new enough to already support a solid state disk. Win98 and below need drivers, which would mean carrying a CD around, which defeats the idea.

At least with a floppy drive, you can pretty much guarantee that people are going to have one. Granted, some ill treated disks can corrupt data, but it's just a case of being sensible with your media and not putting it next to a speaker etc...

I have a 128Mb USB harddrive, and it's proved useful in some cases, and a pain in other. I think it'll just be a fond memory in a few years... another passing fad! Like that smelly-mail I saw on TV yesterday!

[plenderj]

Originally posted by Ideas Man
I don't want to start an argument but IMO, that is far from the truth, I've found them to be unreliable and most annoying, getting a USB flash disk was the best thing i ever bought.

You're slagging off floppy disks? lol
I'm not even going to bother

[cid]

I made my boot disk using NTFSDOS but you can only have read only access in the free version. So where can I get he full version *cough* free...

[VisionIT]

Oh... that's a nasty cough m8!

It's not much to buy! Widen the wallet and invest!

[Kasracer]

Originally posted by plenderj
You're slagging off floppy disks? lol
I'm not even going to bother

Floppies are a horrible medium with extremely poor reliability. Floppy disk is a technology that should have died in the 1990s but people can't seem to stop using them.

They have an average life span of about 6 months and almost everything seems to affect the disk.

Magnetism, Mobile telephones, electric motors, televisions, hi-fi speakers, Temperature, Sun light, radiators, rapid temperature changes, Environmental hazards, Rain, fluff, dust, hair, and food are all proven to screw up floppy disks.

Originally posted by cid
I made my boot disk using NTFSDOS but you can only have read only access in the free version. So where can I get he full version *cough* free...

Linux

[plenderj]

Originally posted by kasracer
Floppies are a horrible medium with extremely poor reliability. Floppy disk is a technology that should have died in the 1990s but people can't seem to stop using them.

They have an average life span of about 6 months and almost everything seems to affect the disk.

Magnetism, Mobile telephones, electric motors, televisions, hi-fi speakers, Temperature, Sun light, radiators, rapid temperature changes, Environmental hazards, Rain, fluff, dust, hair, and food are all proven to screw up floppy disks.

I don't agree they have poor reliability. All my boot disks are years old and still work. If you store them in shelving or cupboards in diskette boxes then there's no problem.

And you don't need any specialist equipment to work with diskettes, and in so far as booting from a disk is concerned, you don't need a system with a relatively new BIOS to boot with a diskette - as opposed to bootable CDs, DVDs or USB devices.

[VisionIT]

Originally posted by plenderj
I don't agree they have poor reliability. All my boot disks are years old and still work. If you store them in shelving or cupboards in diskette boxes then there's no problem.

And you don't need any specialist equipment to work with diskettes, and in so far as booting from a disk is concerned, you don't need a system with a relatively new BIOS to boot with a diskette - as opposed to bootable CDs, DVDs or USB devices.

Heh... my point exactly. Store them correctly, and they'll last ya for a long while!

[Kasracer]

Originally posted by plenderj
I don't agree they have poor reliability. All my boot disks are years old and still work. If you store them in shelving or cupboards in diskette boxes then there's no problem.

You can't just disagree with proven fact just because you had a few good experiences. I'm shocked those disks even work. I got Windows 3.1 on several floppies that was still in the original packaging until I tried them a few weeks ago and not one of them worked.

Originally posted by plenderj
And you don't need any specialist equipment to work with diskettes, and in so far as booting from a disk is concerned, you don't need a system with a relatively new BIOS to boot with a diskette - as opposed to bootable CDs, DVDs or USB devices.

You do need "specialist equipment" (there isn't anything "specialist" about it) to use a disk. It's called a floppy drive. With a CD you need a CD drive (du'h) and even my 386 had a CD drive so it isn't like computers don't have CD drives. Hell you can go and pick up a CD drive for almost as cheap as a floppy drive.

Also, what do you mean by "relatively new"? My second computer was made in 1997 and it could boot off a CD just fine (infact, I had to do that to format it several different times). I wouldn't consider 1997 relatively new.

[cid]

I made a NTFS boot disk with these tools:
NTFSDOS
Standard(XP) boot disk
xcopy
scanreg
scandisk
format
fdisk
unformat(Never used this before(kinda scares me))
choice
edit
deltree
undelete(Never used this before(kinda scares me))
and other random junk...
if you guys want my version of NTFS boot disk let me know

[plenderj]

Originally posted by kasracer

You do need "specialist equipment" (there isn't anything "specialist" about it) to use a disk. It's called a floppy drive. With a CD you need a CD drive (du'h) and even my 386 had a CD drive so it isn't like computers don't have CD drives. Hell you can go and pick up a CD drive for almost as cheap as a floppy drive.

Also, what do you mean by "relatively new"? My second computer was made in 1997 and it could boot off a CD just fine (infact, I had to do that to format it several different times). I wouldn't consider 1997 relatively new.

1) I'm talking about writing to CDs. You require a CD-Burner to write to a CD - which is not standard equipment yet.

2) You obviously don't work as a computer technician repairing people's computers. Just because the computer you used had a BIOS that supported booting from a CD-ROM it doesn't mean all do. I see a lot of older computers coming in for repair that cannot boot with a CD.


Also, if you need to transfer a very small amount of data from one computer to another - using a floppy disk is a lot quicker.

And if you're going to harp on about floppy disks - you're also going on about musical casettes - as they work in nearly the exact same fasion. And if you have such a problem with ferromagnetism you can just throw a myriad of technologies and products out the window.

How old are you anyway?

[Kasracer]

Originally posted by plenderj
1) I'm talking about writing to CDs. You require a CD-Burner to write to a CD - which is not standard equipment yet.

You can find a CD-Burner for $19 and most computers made in the past few years include them.

Originally posted by plenderj
2) You obviously don't work as a computer technician repairing people's computers. Just because the computer you used had a BIOS that supported booting from a CD-ROM it doesn't mean all do. I see a lot of older computers coming in for repair that cannot boot with a CD.

Thankfully I don't, but computers coming in that old that can't boot off a CD, you can usually flash the BIOS for them to make it work.

Worse comes to worse, slide in a floppy to boot from CD.

Originally posted by plenderj
Also, if you need to transfer a very small amount of data from one computer to another - using a floppy disk is a lot quicker.

Flash drive would be even faster. It doesn't require moving parts like a floppy and it has a much faster seek and read.

Originally posted by plenderj
And if you're going to harp on about floppy disks - you're also going on about musical casettes - as they work in nearly the exact same fasion. And if you have such a problem with ferromagnetism you can just throw a myriad of technologies and products out the window.

Casettes are a horrible technology but are not comparable to floppies. Casettes are alot worse because it can only be read one way. So something at the very end, you have to wait for it to reach the end and THEN get it. Floppies use a random access structure like a CD-Rom. Tape drives also fall into this.

Originally posted by plenderj
How old are you anyway?

97

[VisionIT]

Hey, it's the computer bigot! Spreading you bull again Kas?

A flash drive may not have any moving parts, but it still requires stable and fully working foundations for it's use. A floppy drive is, and has always been the prefered media for backing up data. Yes, they can fail, but so can everything else if you really want to be picky!

You can find a CD-Burner for $19 and most computers made in the past few years include them.

No they don't! Most PC's you have brought may have included them... but they aren't just thrown in as part of a deal!!!! Unless the user specifically asks for one, or goes looking for a PC with a burner installed, there are very few that 'come with them'

For once i'de love to see someone post without you breaking it all down for something to argue about!!! PlenderJ has obviously been in this business far longer, and has more sense... so your childs-play statements won't wash.

I agree floppies and cassettes are now old media, and CD-ROM/DVD disks are now the preffered, but that's whats called progress m8. Slagging off old-style media just proves how immature you are. If floppies didn't exist, data transfer wouldn't be as advanced as it is today.

Now will you please give it a rest!

[Kasracer]

Originally posted by VisionIT
Hey, it's the computer bigot! Spreading you bull again Kas?

Yes but too bad it isn't bull

Originally posted by VisionIT

A flash drive may not have any moving parts, but it still requires stable and fully working foundations for it's use. A floppy drive is, and has always been the prefered media for backing up data. Yes, they can fail, but so can everything else if you really want to be picky!

Since when has a floppy been the prefered media for backing up data? In the earlier days I seen people use tape drives for backing up and more recently, DVD+-RWs and more hard drives. I've never seen someone backup stuff with a floppy(except for like a couple of text files but using a floppy as a means of back-up is kind of stupid since their life span is crap). The only reason I've seen someone use a floppy was for traveling but a flash drive replaces the floppy quite easily in that respect.

Originally posted by VisionIT

No they don't! Most PC's you have brought may have included them... but they aren't just thrown in as part of a deal!!!! Unless the user specifically asks for one, or goes looking for a PC with a burner installed, there are very few that 'come with them'

Go look at some catalogs or at dell or gateway. Most, if not all come with a CD burner and DVD burners are optional. The only computer I've ever bought with a CD burner was my laptop and that was only a few months ago. Before then my last computer I bought from a company (like HP, ect) was an old HP and I made sure to NOT buy a burner since I already had one. Now I build my computers and usually get the burner seperate.

Originally posted by VisionIT

For once i'de love to see someone post without you breaking it all down for something to argue about!!! PlenderJ has obviously been in this business far longer, and has more sense... so your childs-play statements won't wash.

First of all, ALOT of people post without me breaking it all down. Just look at most of the threads in VB forum. Secondly, if I didn't break it down to argue, that wouldn't be any fun now would it?

However, I don't see it as "childs-play". You're the one calling people bigots and such and you don't even back-up any of your claims. You even say PlenderJ has more sense but that may or may not be true. You don't know who I am so you couldn't even begin to back that one up. I could be Michael Dell for all you know.

Also, *** is "statements won't wash"? Is that some British version of "your bull**** don't fly here"?

Originally posted by VisionIT

I agree floppies and cassettes are now old media, and CD-ROM/DVD disks are now the preffered, but that's whats called progress m8. Slagging off old-style media just proves how immature you are

Wait, first you go and call floppies and cassettes old, then you call me immature because I talked about how crappy they were? Listen, progress is made when an inferior technology is replaced. Floppies and Cassettes have been replaced for the most part, therefore it is quite obvious that the technology they incorporated was horrible (if it wasn't, why did it get replaced?) so your statement is just there to try and get a cheap insult off.

Originally posted by VisionIT
If floppies didn't exist, data transfer wouldn't be as advanced as it is today.

Obviously, but we are not talking about how floppies shouldn't have been created, we are talking about floppies and their use in today's world.

Originally posted by VisionIT

Now will you please give it a rest!

Take your own advice!

[VisionIT]

I wish I hadn't voted in that "Madboy or Kasracer" thread, cause you provide entertainment even Sky Digital can't compete with!

[Kasracer]

Originally posted by VisionIT
I wish I hadn't voted in that "Madboy or Kasracer" thread, cause you provide entertainment even Sky Digital can't compete with!

If by "entertainment" you mean truth, then yes.

[VisionIT]

Originally posted by kasracer
If by "entertainment" you mean truth, then yes.

OMFG... you are so thick skin'd!!! My suspicions have just been confirmed! (only one person will understand that! )

[Kasracer]

Originally posted by VisionIT
OMFG... you are so thick skin'd!!! My suspicions have just been confirmed! (only one person will understand that! )

I think you British folk have a different definition for thick skinned because it isn't an insult.

Perhaps you mean Thick Headed?