was Satan an Angel? Christians say so..

[kovan]

from the information i gathered most christians i met say he was an angel..

on that note
and they say angels are PERFECT
if angels are so perfect
why wasn't lucifer perfect?

this is another thing I believe shows more corruption in the religion of christianity


(its time to have some more serious discussions, rather than pick on jethro all the time, and this MIGHT bring Gen X back from the dead)

I don't believe that any Christian theolgian has claimed
that angels were perfect. I believe that they are
considered to be manifestations of godhood (NOT minor gods)
and thus are no more to be understood than God.

This being so, it follows that Satan was the manifestation
of the desire for control? Hmmmmmm.....

DerFarm

[kovan]

Defarm
on that note
could you give me proof from the bible to state that angels are not perfect?

and i am not sure i undrestand exactly what position you put angels in, if they are not minor gods... (not that i believe they are gods or anything)

and
do christians believe that angels have free will?

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

1. Of course he was an angel. How else would he have any power? He was in fact an archangle.

2. God created humans. Everything God created was good (Genesis in the Bible). Man sinned, which caused us to become corrupt. Angels were good. Angels became jealous, which caused some of them to rebel and get kicked out of heaven. Their leader was lucifer or the father of lies.

3. Corruption in the Christian religion? What is there to say? "They have eyes, but they do not see. They have ears, but they cannot hear." Your statement was exceptionaly blind. Show me some corruption and I will rebuke it one by one.

4. You think "gen x'rs" are the only people who live for God?

[kovan]

hmmmm
go back on threads
and explain the contridiction in the bible i have posted
they are all on chit chat..

another thing

Gen 'x live for god?
hmmm what you talking about

from how i read your reply
you dont even know what i am talking about when i refered to Gen X



jethro.. if you read tis.. told you i would get a serious dicussion going

Kovan, you'll notice that in all the religious threads that
I have replied to, I have never quoted the Bible. Frankly,
you can find justification for almost everything in the
Bible, which, as far as I'm concerned invalidates almost
everything that CAN be proven from the Bible.

I DO quote theologians (tho generally not by name), because
I am familiar with (not expert in) the works of the major
religious (catholic and protestant) strains of thought.

DerFarm

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

DerFarm,
1. You say that the Bible invalidates anything it proves? If it proves it, then how is it invalid?
2. Do you believe that the Bible is true?
3. Do you believe that God exists and wrote the Bible through men?

kovan,
1. I could find no other contradictions in chit chat. Perhaps I am misreading your request. Could you post the name of the thread?
2. "and this MIGHT bring Gen X back from the dead" I take that to mean that this thread is meant to revive participation of gen x's. This idirectly implies that gen x's are the only ones who will reply. This means that gen x's are the only ones who care about the subject.

No, Edwin, I do not believe in an omnipotent power. I do
not believe in the Bible, Quran, DaoTse, Mao's Little Red
Book, or any other belief system that has all the answers.

I am knowledgeable about religions because I enjoy the
involved thought processes necessary in the philosophies of
absolutes.

I am also knowledgeable in Greek, Viking, Finnish, and
Mongol religious systems. I don't believe in them, either.

DerFarm

[jdavison]

Then God said, "Let us make people in our image, to be like ourselves. They will be masters over all life – the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the livestock, wild animals, and small animals."
Gen 1:26 NLT

are angels living? I would think yes they are. So we are masters over all life from the above scriptures. We are made in the image of God, a 3 fold being. yet the angels are less than us. we made mistakes, how much more do you think the angels would if we are closer to perfection than they are.

There are other points in the bible too and if I remember and get some time I will point them out to you. Don't make statments you can't support.

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

DerFarm,
How do you think the world/all of creation/universe came into existence?

[Edited by Edwin_Drood_1870 on 11-14-2000 at 02:27 PM]

[kovan]

edwin
http://forums.vb-world.net/showthrea...threadid=33630
http://forums.vb-world.net/showthrea...threadid=31956
http://forums.vb-world.net/showthrea...threadid=31411
http://forums.vb-world.net/showthrea...threadid=29900

i was talking about that guy nicknamed GEN X
just him..
since he is eager to attack religion, i thought he might come back and have another cyber fight..


FarmGuy
sorry i thought you believed in the bible.. thats why i asked you to quote from it..
at least your knowledgeable with other religions
if you dont believe then you simply dont..
i aint gonna sit here and try to convince ya
you know the religions you make up your mind

oh by the way
did ya get that land up here?

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

kovan,
my apology concerning gen x. I misinterpeted your statement. I will read those posts and reply as soon as possible.

Kovan, I pay for the land on Friday.

DerFarm

[kovan]

you must be rich
is it on a lake or anything?
if it is can we go there when your not there?
i promise to keep it in good hands

It's in the middle of nowhere, not on a lake, no river
nearby, most of the trees gone....and I'm not rich, its
cheap.

http://www.wuerch.com/Wuerchlistings.htm

first listing

DerFarm

kovan
I saw a post from you to someone that implied he had addressed the contradictions you posted, but he did that personally and you asked if he would post his answers publically here. What ever happened to that?

[HarryW]

Edwin, good luck reading all the threads on the subject, you're in for many long hours of reading if you're after the full story. The very first thread which brought up the subject of religion in a serious way was, I believe, one entitled 'Evolution and AI' or something along those lines. This is going back a long time though.

Anyway, enjoy your reading.

[Edwin_Drood_1870]

Thanks.

*Edwin raises hand in proclamation*
"I, Edwin, Defender of the Truth, shall see my mission to it's end." (eventualy)