IP Messaging.. is it a kind of SPAM?

**raladin** · Feb 6th, 2004, 09:49 AM

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**techgnome** · Feb 6th, 2004, 09:51 AM

Yes,
I've seen this used as a means of advertising junk. It doesn't matter the means of the delivery, any unwanted messages sent unrequested can be considered spam.

And, yes one could turn it off, but what if you have it on for intercompany communication? Or if you use it for communicating with a customer or client?

TG

**plenderj** · Feb 6th, 2004, 09:54 AM

The messenger service has been present since Windows NT.
Its normally only used by applications to notify administrators of events on a network - UPS shutdowns, virus notifications etc.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone really use it to communicate.

**raladin** · Feb 6th, 2004, 10:04 AM

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**raladin** · Feb 6th, 2004, 10:07 AM

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**plenderj** · Feb 6th, 2004, 10:08 AM

SPAM, by definition, is "irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of newsgroups or users.
"

The form in which the message takes is irrelevant.

**plenderj** · Feb 6th, 2004, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by raladin
But if you turned it off.. the Messenger will work great.. it doen't depend on the MSN Messenger or Windows Messenger... MSN Messenger works perfectly although the service is stopped.. you can check that... so it is not stopping companies from contacting their clients & customers..

Regards..

The Messenger Service is completely different to the Windows Messenger and MSN Messenger.
MSN Messenger and Windows Messenger are both messaging applications.

The Messenger Service is more like an SMS server. Just single very short messages sent to an IP or Domain.

**raladin** · Feb 6th, 2004, 10:11 AM

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**plenderj** · Feb 6th, 2004, 10:38 AM

EMail can be stopped. And using the messenger service is spam.
Also, your IP Address is sent when using the messenger service. You really don't want that

**raladin** · Feb 6th, 2004, 10:41 AM

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**plenderj** · Feb 6th, 2004, 10:51 AM

Messenger service IS spam.
And you cannot hide your IP. The only thing you could do is use NAT behind a router or firewall, in which case your IP would not be embedded inside the message (if it is even sent), but your IP would be sent with the IP header of the packets.

**raladin** · Feb 6th, 2004, 10:54 AM

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**Cander** · Feb 6th, 2004, 11:08 AM

What the hell are you trying to get at? Sending unsolicted messages is SPAM. Period. The end. Doesn't matter if its SMS, email, phone calls, IM messages. Its SPAM.

Unsolicited means they didnt ask for it, or they didnt knowingly download an app that receives messages, and/or messages from a source to whom they did not give their name, screen name, or ip address to.

**JCScoobyRS** · Feb 6th, 2004, 11:11 AM

Cander++

Couldn't had said it better myself.

**techgnome** · Feb 6th, 2004, 11:11 AM

I agree with cander. It sounds like you are about to do something unethical and possibly illegal. Short message broadcasts to network users notifying them of say a server going down is one thing, but to hit the internet with an ad, that's just plain wrong. If you are so conserned with the govt knocking on your door, then the activity is most likely questionable and you probably shouldn't do it.

But that's just this gnome's opinion.

TG

**raladin** · Feb 6th, 2004, 11:22 AM

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**duc** · Feb 7th, 2004, 03:50 PM

Is it possible to message someone through that? Like could I message my friend through that? If so how would I do that? That'd be cool.

-duc

**<ABX** · Feb 7th, 2004, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by duc
Is it possible to message someone through that? Like could I message my friend through that? If so how would I do that? That'd be cool.

-duc

on 2k/xp:

type command in the run menu
then type NET SEND 192.168.2.1 hello
if 192.168.2.1 is his IP

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I remember the last time i got a message from someone that did that to me

i wrote a simple app in vb (took 2 minutes because i already was using the functionality in another app) to send "STOP IT you ****tards" few 1000 times

Then i turned off the messenger service.

**plenderj** · Feb 9th, 2004, 03:45 AM

Originally posted by raladin
But I tried a program that do that.. and it put another IP I specified.. also you know there are many ways to hide your IP from tracing.. and they are useful..

No, no there aren't.

**Danial** · Feb 11th, 2004, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by raladin
But I tried a program that do that.. and it put another IP I specified.. also you know there are many ways to hide your IP from tracing.. and they are useful..

But again Please give me a website or a document that has the proof of that.. I mean an official website.. not only to say it is SPAM..okay where di you find the answer of that question?

Regards..

You can modify IP packets and change the source IP address, but that means if you are expecting a respons(or datagram) they will be sent to that IP address. When you surf or use any other program that connects to the Net they all use TCP/IP or UDP protocol and everything is based on IP address, so if you hide/change your IP address then your application will simply wont work.

Chaning IP adress like that is called IP spoffing, and they are done for different reasons! If you want to learn more, study TCP/IP protocol.

Also read this thread i have explained few things to MadBoy on this thread http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.p...ghlight=danial

**raladin** · Feb 11th, 2004, 10:55 PM

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