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**VisionIT** · Nov 23rd, 2003, 05:42 PM

Kasracer... for this stunning piece of garbled crap!

It takes common sence not to get infected with something.

If you lack common sence, keep a virus scanner running. Otherwise you don't need it.

Applause please everyone! Bow too... if you feel inclined!

Cheers...

P.S Don't worry... kasracer's just fcuk'd off about a thread he had removed. Oh... and if you can read this, your eyes are fine! lol

**Acidic** · Nov 23rd, 2003, 05:46 PM

I do things like that all the time, thats why most of my posts are edited.
well... Maybe not that bad things, just typos

**Kasracer** · Nov 23rd, 2003, 05:47 PM

The only people that I've ever seen get infected with a virus is ignorant people.

If you don't understand how to avoid viruses, then keep a virus scanner running, but don't go off making ignorant comments just because you need a virus scanner.

If you honestly think everyone needs a virus scanner to "keep them safe", perhaps you arn't as smart as I thought you were....

and no I wasn't pissed about that thread. This is chit-chat, no one gives a **** about posts here otherwise they'd post somewhere else. If I actually cared enough about that post, I would of contacted an admin instead of making a worthless thread.

**Danny J** · Nov 23rd, 2003, 07:52 PM

ohhhhh wa-psh!

**hellswraith** · Nov 23rd, 2003, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by kasracer
The only people that I've ever seen get infected with a virus is ignorant people.

If you don't understand how to avoid viruses, then keep a virus scanner running, but don't go off making ignorant comments just because you need a virus scanner.

If you honestly think everyone needs a virus scanner to "keep them safe", perhaps you arn't as smart as I thought you were....

and no I wasn't pissed about that thread. This is chit-chat, no one gives a **** about posts here otherwise they'd post somewhere else. If I actually cared enough about that post, I would of contacted an admin instead of making a worthless thread.

I agree.

**duc** · Nov 23rd, 2003, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by kasracer
The only people that I've ever seen get infected with a virus is ignorant people.

If you don't understand how to avoid viruses, then keep a virus scanner running, but don't go off making ignorant comments just because you need a virus scanner.

If you honestly think everyone needs a virus scanner to "keep them safe", perhaps you arn't as smart as I thought you were....

and no I wasn't pissed about that thread. This is chit-chat, no one gives a **** about posts here otherwise they'd post somewhere else. If I actually cared enough about that post, I would of contacted an admin instead of making a worthless thread.

When you download stuff of Kazaa you need a virus scanner. Believe me.

**Kasracer** · Nov 23rd, 2003, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by duc
When you download stuff of Kazaa you need a virus scanner. Believe me.

........

No you don't. For 1, don't use the spyware filled piece of **** software Kazaa, use Kazaa lite K++. Secondly, don't download ANY executables from it. Doing so is just plain stupid.

It isn't difficult. No viruses with what I said.

**alkatran** · Nov 23rd, 2003, 09:45 PM

No one is immune, there are some very smart people out there who, for some reason, really want to piss people off.

I would think of it as a good idea to at least have a virus scanner ON your system, even if you don't run it.

I received an email about a month ago labelled "Important" from (namehere)@hotmail.com. Now, (namehere) is the name of the girlfriend of the partner I was working with on a project (conveniently due the next day). I had to open the email, even though it COULD have been from some other person.

Of course, if she was more computer-literate she would have put my partner's name in it...

Oh, and the email was in my junk mail folder.

**hellswraith** · Nov 23rd, 2003, 10:28 PM

I had to open the email, even though it COULD have been from some other person.

That is a rediculous statement. You don't HAVE to open the attachment. You could have called to confirm it, sent a email in reply to make sure...but you didn't HAVE to open it. Especially if it COULD have been from some other person.

**alkatran** · Nov 23rd, 2003, 10:33 PM

The email contained his phone number, among other things. I didn't know her phone number (what, you expect me to get organized for highschool? geography? we got 97% on it anyways).

and I will admit I didn't HAVE to open it. But it is just an example, there was a very strong incentive to open it.

**twistedthoughts** · Nov 24th, 2003, 01:50 AM

Have you guys ever scaned your pc's for spy/adware ????

If you haven't, give it a try; u'll b amazed...

**Nightwalker83** · Nov 24th, 2003, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by duc
When you download stuff of Kazaa you need a virus scanner. Believe me.

When downloading files from any sites or removable storage it is always I good idea to use a virus scanner.

**hothead** · Nov 24th, 2003, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by twistedthoughts
Have you guys ever scaned your pc's for spy/adware ????

If you haven't, give it a try; u'll b amazed...

Don't get me started on that. My mom is working for one of those Ponzi schemes you find on the internet all the time. I scan my PC once a week, and you wouldn't believe all the crap I find on here.

Plus, I get AT LEAST 10 emails a day about making money fast, so she's obviously using my email address.

**alkatran** · Nov 24th, 2003, 09:18 AM

The first time I ran a scan on our family computer (4 people who aren't me and aren't very smart on computers), which has Kazaa, Napster, you name it, it found OVER TWO HUNDRED SPYWARE PROGRAMS!!

Oh, and on a sidenote, I just looked at the Kazaa on that computer and discoevered (to my horror) that an app had been downloaded through it (pinball game).

**alphanumeric** · Nov 24th, 2003, 10:09 AM

My daughter installed kazaa on her PC, Ad-Aware found 385 items when I ran it. It also already had 788 quarantined items. I got rid of most of it, gator etc. No viruses though. I got one on my PC just going to a site, no it wasn't pron. It showed up in my temporary internet files. Avg got it so no harm was done, that I know of.

Personally I can't imagine going online without an Anti-virus. You can try not to go to "those" sites, but a link doesn't always go where you think it will. People buy old Domain names just so they can suck you in.

**duc** · Nov 24th, 2003, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by kasracer
........

No you don't. For 1, don't use the spyware filled piece of **** software Kazaa, use Kazaa lite K++. Secondly, don't download ANY executables from it. Doing so is just plain stupid.

It isn't difficult. No viruses with what I said.

They are zipped sometimes dude, and so u open the zip and kapow!

plus i use kazaa lite.

**hothead** · Nov 24th, 2003, 05:42 PM

Kasracer is right when he says only ignorant people get viruses. I have been going online for many years, and have not received a single virus. I disagree when he says you don't need a virus scanner though; I keep one running "just in case" because my mom uses the computer also, and.... well you get the point.

She infected the entire network with Klez back when it was a serious threat, and she was using Kazaa Lite.

**Kasracer** · Nov 24th, 2003, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by twistedthoughts
Have you guys ever scaned your pc's for spy/adware ????

If you haven't, give it a try; u'll b amazed...

Just did.

A whole whopping zero.

What a BIG surprize.

Seriously, it isn't difficult to avoid this ****. It's like when people go to learn C++, they make it difficult on themselves when it actually isn't difficult.

Originally posted by duc
They are zipped sometimes dude, and so u open the zip and kapow!

plus i use kazaa lite.

First off, you CANNOT download zips from kazaa unless they're renamed. Extracting form a ZIP will NOT automatically execute anything.

Secondly, any compressed files from Kazaa are going to be self-extracting. If you openly run ANY exe form Kazaa, you deserve what you get.

**Madboy** · Nov 24th, 2003, 06:16 PM

Yeak i use Kazaa Lite K++. Kazaa even says it puts spyware in the Terms & Conditions. I got one piece called Cydoor, could never remove it. Not with Adaware, Spyware Blaster, Search & Destryoy. You name the spyware removal tool, it never got rid of it. Ended up formatting the PC, which took about 6 hours, i couldnt find my Graphics disc with drivers on

Theres a lesson to learn, dont be a fool and use Kazaa.

You should have viruses scanners running all the time.

I have:

Avast! (Anti-Virus)
Zone Alarm (Firewall)
The Cleaner (Trojan Detector)

running all the time.

And i often run S&D (Search & Destroy spyware removal) and manually scan for viruses with Avast, same goes with the Cleaner. As for Zone Alarm, i have no worries except for updating it, as with the other protection tools.

**MasterBlaster** · Nov 24th, 2003, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by kasracer

Seriously, it isn't difficult to avoid this ****. It's like when people go to learn C++, they make it difficult on themselves when it actually isn't difficult.

If you are on a network with a person who is not you then it is impossible to avoid this **** without av protection. BTW I am curious if you are running a web servers on PCs without virus protection?

**Memnoch1207** · Nov 24th, 2003, 06:32 PM

I somewhat agree with kasracer. However, I would say that everyone that gets a virus is an idiot. I think most virus infections are the result of novice computer users. It's not that their stupid, they are just not as experienced as some of us as knowing what should and should not be done.

That said I wouldn't run a computer connected to the internet without either A) virus protection software B) a firewall or Both.

**Kasracer** · Nov 24th, 2003, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
If you are on a network with a person who is not you then it is impossible to avoid this **** without av protection.

Ugh, that isn't true AT ALL. If you are going to argue on a certain point, atleast be a little more informed about it.

If your system is updated, you won't be prone to any current exploits. If you have a firewall enabled (which you should have) you won't have any problems at all. If you're stupid enough to have guest account enabled, well then you got what's coming to ya.

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
BTW I am curious if you are running a web servers on PCs without virus protection?

Yes, it would actually be stupid to have AV on a web server. It isn't needed and can wear down the system anyway.

BTW, my site is on a Linux server. But a properly setup server, Windows, Linux, BeOS, Mac OS X, ect.... won't EVER need AV protection.

**Kasracer** · Nov 24th, 2003, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Memnoch1207
I somewhat agree with kasracer. However, I would say that everyone that gets a virus is an idiot. I think most virus infections are the result of novice computer users. It's not that their stupid, they are just not as experienced as some of us as knowing what should and should not be done.

I never said they were idiots (I assume you ment to say "I wouldn't say"). I said they were ignorant, there is a huge difference.

Being ignorant of a subject doesn't make you stupid, it just means you don't know alot on the subject. I'm ignorant on nuclear science, doesn't mean i'm an idiot.

**MasterBlaster** · Nov 24th, 2003, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by kasracer
Ugh, that isn't true AT ALL. If you are going to argue on a certain point, atleast be a little more informed about it.

It would be a very good Idea for you to take your own advice right about now.

If your system is updated, you won't be prone to any current exploits. If you have a firewall enabled (which you should have) you won't have any problems at all. If you're stupid enough to have guest account enabled, well then you got what's coming to ya.

Updating your system dosn't mean jack. All that means is that you are protected from known exploits.

Yes, it would actually be stupid to have AV on a web server. It isn't needed and can wear down the system anyway.

Please give me a list of all web sites owned or operated by you so I never go near them.

BTW, my site is on a Linux server. But a properly setup server, Windows, Linux, BeOS, Mac OS X, ect.... won't EVER need AV protection. [/B]

Again, All that means is that you are protected from known exploits. Believe it or not there are people in this world that are smarter than you and have enough free time to waste on fooking with your comps.

**Kasracer** · Nov 24th, 2003, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
It would be a very good Idea for you to take your own advice right about now.

Actually, no. You're trying to say web servers need AV. Come on now, that is really really pushing it.

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
Updating your system dosn't mean jack. All that means is that you are protected from known exploits.

Which is what I said........

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
Please give me a list of all web sites owned or operated by you so I never go near them.

I operate one out of my own house sometimes. Never had any problems. If you honestly think web servers need AV, you really shouldn't ever touch a server. The server my site is hosted on doesn't have AV and is a Linux server. I'd love to see someone try hacking into that, or putting a virus on it. Seriously, you'd like win an award or something for doing that.

Do you even realize how many Linux, FreeBSD, and BeOS servers there are? I guarentee you that you regularlly visit websites and the majority (possibly all of them) do not have AV.

Seriously, setup, maintain and USE a web server before making ignorant comments like this. Actually learn what each type of server can and can't do.

Originally posted by MasterBlaster

Again, All that means is that you are protected from known exploits. Believe it or not there are people in this world that are smarter than you and have enough free time to waste on fooking with your comps.

If you setup a server correctly, it'll never have a problem.

Of course you'll have to keep it up to date because you never know what new exploit comes out, but this is where a firewall comes in. A firewall doesn't need to know if an exploit is old or new, it just blocks what isn't allowed.

You're arguing about something completely different than what the thread is/was about. We were talking about personal computers, and you come in talking about how web servers need AV. I hope you never actually manage any web servers.

**duc** · Nov 24th, 2003, 08:08 PM

Why do you really care if people have antivirus software or not. Marty can you please close this thread? It's completely pointless. No one's going to admit they're wrong and it's no money out of your pocket if I go buy norton or something. So just shut up!

-completely pissed, duc

**Kasracer** · Nov 24th, 2003, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by duc
Why do you really care if people have antivirus software or not. Marty can you please close this thread? It's completely pointless. No one's going to admit they're wrong and it's no money out of your pocket if I go buy norton or something. So just shut up!

-completely pissed, duc

Noes

**Spajeoly** · Nov 24th, 2003, 09:17 PM

Well, I would say it's all just personal preference.

I for one keep AV Software and always keep it updated as well as always keeping Windows updated. I believe software firewalls are pointless and a waste of space & CPU as they always block stuff you want even if they're not supposed to.

Although these are my beliefs, I won't call anyone an idiot or try and argue my point with anyone.

**duc** · Nov 24th, 2003, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by kasracer
Noes

yanky doodle dandy

**VisionIT** · Nov 25th, 2003, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
Updating your system dosn't mean jack. All that means is that you are protected from known exploits.

Whoopeeee

Someone that talks sense finally enters the thread!

99% of 'known' exploits have already or are already in the process of being solved (but I suppose you think updates are pointless anyway)... so as MasterBlaster said.. it's the unknown ones you need worry about. So it doesn't matter if you've setup your server to the absolute best of your abilities... there could still be exploits even you don't know about!

If you setup a server correctly, it'll never have a problem.

Give me a break! Is Kasracer a plant by JPM to get more people posting? I'm starting to wonder...

Naivety... by the bucket load!

Kasracer... I hate arguing (honestly

) with you, but it's just so difficult to understand your logic! Web servers/personal computers with no AV... pointless updates... antivirus software making things worse? I'm so biwildered (SP?) by your comments... what course did you study to come to these conclusions?

I don't know if i'm coming across a little 'big-headed' or 'arrogant' about this? It's not intentional! I've really tried to see and understand what your saying, but i don't think my ameoba can handle it! Are you saying the multi-million pound AV industry is a farce? A big con for ignorant people with no common sense?

Not that i'm not looking forward to kasracer's response... but please Marty... close this damn thread before my head explodes!

**Spajeoly** · Nov 25th, 2003, 03:47 PM

Haha,

Good rant & points there.

**dis1411** · Nov 25th, 2003, 04:42 PM

kas answer me this..
say a friend gives u a document to look over.. and it has a virus.. you ask him if it has a virus, he says no cuz he doesnt know

you go home and open it

you dont have anti virus software so youre out in the dark

what is your solution to this??

**Shaggy Hiker** · Nov 25th, 2003, 05:27 PM

I got an infected file from a trusted source who was ignorant about the infection on his system. I blocked the virus, but I had no reason to suspect it was there.

I work on a system with lots of users. We have been hit by several viruses. About these I know two things: 1) None of them came from me, and 2) our firewall can be duped. That's all I want to know about it, because around here, a little knowledge can get you diverted onto irrelevant projects for days.

**NotLKH** · Nov 25th, 2003, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by kasracer
Noes

Ok.

What exactly do you mean by "Noes"???
Google seems to indicate "Nightmare on Elm Street".
Is that it? Are you really Freddy Kreuger?
Sure would explain some things.

Or, perhaps as was suggested somewhere else, you really are dyslexic? If so, here you go.

NOES!

**Shaggy Hiker** · Nov 25th, 2003, 06:31 PM

That's a BLOODY AWESOME picture!

I love it!

**twistedthoughts** · Nov 26th, 2003, 12:01 AM

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by twistedthoughts
Have you guys ever scaned your pc's for spy/adware ????

If you haven't, give it a try; u'll b amazed...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Just did.

A whole whopping zero.

What a BIG surprize.

Seriously, it isn't difficult to avoid this ****. It's like when people go to learn C++, they make it difficult on themselves when it actually isn't difficult.

Wow! That's just superb man!

How do you manage to do this ???

What browser do you use for surfing ???

And what are the browser settings ?????

**Something Else** · Nov 26th, 2003, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by Shaggy Hiker
That's a BLOODY AWESOME picture! I love it!

I agree.
Its,...
Fascinating!

**Something Else** · Nov 26th, 2003, 12:19 AM

doing a double take on it...
LOL!
larf!
Bloody 'ell!

Its the funniest thing I've stared at in ages!

**Kasracer** · Nov 26th, 2003, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by VisionIT
99% of 'known' exploits have already or are already in the process of being solved (but I suppose you think updates are pointless anyway)... so as MasterBlaster said.. it's the unknown ones you need worry about. So it doesn't matter if you've setup your server to the absolute best of your abilities... there could still be exploits even you don't know about!

Just because something isn't known doesn't mean you're automatically open to the attacks. This is why a firewall is good as well as a properly setup OS.

I would love to know why you think I think updates are pointless, especially when I have said several times in this thread to update the OS and software used. Ugh, you just like adding words in my mouth to make your replies look better.

This is the reason why you'll never be in security (or if you are, then God help us). You act like that, because some exploits arn't known yet, we're all ****ed.

Originally posted by VisionIT
Kasracer... I hate arguing (honestly ) with you, but it's just so difficult to understand your logic! Web servers/personal computers with no AV... pointless updates... antivirus software making things worse? I'm so biwildered (SP?) by your comments... what course did you study to come to these conclusions?

Web servers and personal computers are an entirely different matter. Don't include the 2 like that, though AV still isn't needed for either, a web server won't be prone to viruses how a pc is.

Study? This is common sence dude. A web server will never need a virus scanner. You have a SERIOUS problem if viruses are being executed on your web server.

Like I said before, plant a virus on the server that runs my site. Go for it. You would be one of the smartest computer users in the world to do that.

I picked up alot of security tips and such from the guy who runs the servers. He's pretty much a security expert on alot of different types of servers.

Originally posted by VisionIT
Are you saying the multi-million pound AV industry is a farce? A big con for ignorant people with no common sense?

Yes, it is only to keep ignorant people out of trouble. There is absolutely NO other point for its existance.

Originally posted by VisionIT
Not that i'm not looking forward to kasracer's response... but please Marty... close this damn thread before my head explodes!

Why close it? I am trying to defend myself against your ignorant comments....

Originally posted by dis1411
kas answer me this..
say a friend gives u a document to look over.. and it has a virus.. you ask him if it has a virus, he says no cuz he doesnt know

you go home and open it

you dont have anti virus software so youre out in the dark

what is your solution to this??

Opening a document won't instantly give you a virus.

Do you just double click on everything people send to you?

Originally posted by twistedthoughts
Wow! That's just superb man!

How do you manage to do this ???

What browser do you use for surfing ???

And what are the browser settings ?????

Opera, default

**dis1411** · Nov 26th, 2003, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by kasracer
Opening a document won't instantly give you a virus.

Do you just double click on everything people send to you?

YES it COULD

do u never open anything anyone gives you? even if they personally handed it to u on a cd?

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