Desktop Replacements??

**duc** · Nov 6th, 2003, 02:17 PM

I picked up a dell magazine and was scanning through it to see if the laptop I wanted was in it. And there it was! But right above all the system specs. was a little green box. Inside that box it read "Desktop Replacement". Now I was wondering. Is that possible?? Can I really rely on that laptop to replace my Desktop unit?

-duc

**Kasracer** · Nov 6th, 2003, 03:32 PM

Why couldn't you?

**plenderj** · Nov 6th, 2003, 04:03 PM

I've been using my laptop as a desktop for the past.... um.... 3 or 4 years or so ?

**DiGiTaIErRoR** · Nov 6th, 2003, 04:21 PM

You could, but it can't be very fast unless you don't care about battery life.

Also, heat can be a problem.

**duc** · Nov 6th, 2003, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by kasracer
Why couldn't you?

Like DigitaI said, I have heard laptops haven't been "perfected" yet.

**DiGiTaIErRoR** · Nov 6th, 2003, 05:22 PM

Well, you can get an adapter, but then you need to have it plugged in.

You can probably expect upto 2 hours of battery life for a fast laptop(video is also important(for desktop), and a good video card takes more amps).

Also, SO-DIMM RAM is expensive!

**Kasracer** · Nov 6th, 2003, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by duc
Like DigitaI said, I have heard laptops haven't been "perfected" yet.

No Laptops are just as good as most desktops, sometimes even better.

The only problem is battery life, and, well you can't hope to render graphics for 10 hours straight on battery life.....

**Kasracer** · Nov 6th, 2003, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by DiGiTaIErRoR
You can probably expect upto 2 hours of battery life for a fast laptop(video is also important(for desktop), and a good video card takes more amps).

With the built in sub wolfer and widescreen my laptop has, with it using the CPU the whole time it'll last almost 3 hours. 4 if the sub wolfer is off

**plenderj** · Nov 6th, 2003, 06:53 PM

Bear in mind of course if you're using this as a desktop you'll never be far from a power outlet.

**DiGiTaIErRoR** · Nov 6th, 2003, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by kasracer
No Laptops are just as good as most desktops, sometimes even better.

The only problem is battery life, and, well you can't hope to render graphics for 10 hours straight on battery life.....

Not likely.

You'd need an Alienware laptop for that to happen.

7200 RPM drives, more powerful graphics, higher cpu clocks, various internal devices, half a dozen USB ports, firewire, burner, dvd, cd-rom, floppy, etc.

If you put your own system together, a decent laptop could run as much as a top-of-the-line desktop.

**BuggyProgrammer** · Nov 6th, 2003, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by DiGiTaIErRoR
7200 RPM drives, more powerful graphics, higher cpu clocks, various internal devices, half a dozen USB ports, firewire, burner, dvd, cd-rom, floppy, etc.

and a 2 hour battery life

**Kasracer** · Nov 6th, 2003, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by DiGiTaIErRoR
You'd need an Alienware laptop for that to happen.

No, there are TONS of companies that put decent laptops together. ATi and nVidia just released new laptop cards like a month or so ago that are pretty damn good so it doesn't have to be a desktop card now.

Originally posted by DiGiTaIErRoR
If you put your own system together, a decent laptop could run as much as a top-of-the-line desktop.

I said the laptop could be as good as a desktop, but just a "decent" laptop for the price of a high end desktop? You should look around, the laptops you're looking at are extremely expencive. Sagar is just like alien ware but WAY cheaper. Dell and even Gateway also have very high end laptops.

**duc** · Nov 6th, 2003, 10:58 PM

Isn't alienware for gaming though?? I want a computer that's built for a mixture of things. Something that can handle games,programs, and so on.

-duc

**Dillinger4** · Nov 7th, 2003, 02:43 AM

Alienware and voodoo have nice laptops but way way over priced. if you are looking for somthing around the same specs but way cheaper go for a sager. www.pctorque.com, www.powernotebooks.com. The 8890's are out and www.pctorque has great forums incase you need help or questions about the system.

I was talking to the guy which runs the pctorque forums and he said that you can go into the bios and run the processor at half speed to save battery power.

**duc** · Nov 7th, 2003, 12:45 PM

Dude...im gettin a dell.

whatever happend to that guy? caught sniffin right?

**DiGiTaIErRoR** · Nov 7th, 2003, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by Dilenger4
Alienware and voodoo have nice laptops but way way over priced. if you are looking for somthing around the same specs but way cheaper go for a sager. www.pctorque.com, www.powernotebooks.com. The 8890's are out and www.pctorque has great forums incase you need help or questions about the system.

I was talking to the guy which runs the pctorque forums and he said that you can go into the bios and run the processor at half speed to save battery power.

Sagers don't compare with Alienware.

http://www.alienware.com/system_pages/area-51m.aspx

**DiGiTaIErRoR** · Nov 7th, 2003, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by duc
Isn't alienware for gaming though?? I want a computer that's built for a mixture of things. Something that can handle games,programs, and so on.

-duc

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**DiGiTaIErRoR** · Nov 7th, 2003, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by kasracer
I said the laptop could be as good as a desktop, but just a "decent" laptop for the price of a high end desktop? You should look around, the laptops you're looking at are extremely expencive. Sagar is just like alien ware but WAY cheaper. Dell and even Gateway also have very high end laptops.

High performance Dells?!?! Gateways?!?!?! Sager... like Alienware?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Do you watch too much TV? Something's rotting your brain....

Sager would be an example of a decent laptop, nothing special.

**Edneeis** · Nov 7th, 2003, 02:29 PM

I think Alienware is overpriced and overrated.

**duc** · Nov 7th, 2003, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Edneeis
I think Alienware is overpriced

I agree with that. The thing is I know a guy at Dell so I can get half off any laptop.

**Edneeis** · Nov 7th, 2003, 02:37 PM

Compare specs:
sager: http://pctorque.com/5680.php
alien: http://www.alienware.com/system_pages/area-51m.aspx

There is a good $800 difference for the same component layout.

DELLs are good computers although their prices are only good if you get one of their prearranged package types. If you add memory or customize it they stick it to you. BUT if you can get it at off off then that is a deal hard to beat. DELL is an Intel ***** though so I personally protest them. Not that it really matters since I always build my own.

I guess you can't use the word w-h-o-r-e.

**Kasracer** · Nov 7th, 2003, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by DiGiTaIErRoR
High performance Dells?!?! Gateways?!?!?! Sager... like Alienware?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Do you watch too much TV? Something's rotting your brain....

I hope that wasn't a serious reply.....

**DiGiTaIErRoR** · Nov 7th, 2003, 11:19 PM

Go ahead and buy your generic POS.

You do get what you pay for.

www.resellerratings.com

Check out Dell and Gateway.

**Kasracer** · Nov 7th, 2003, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by DiGiTaIErRoR
Go ahead and buy your generic POS.

You do get what you pay for.

www.resellerratings.com

Check out Dell and Gateway.

.......

Why would you even BUY a generic computer?

ugh, please re-read my post

**Edneeis** · Nov 8th, 2003, 12:29 AM

We have about 5 DELLs at work and have never had a problem with them. They are all workstation/desktop not laptop but none the less. Also you don't always get what you pay for. Some of the cost, a large part, of alienware is just profit and mark up. If there is another maker that sticks the same parts in theirs then its the same thing. I mean alienware doesn't actually make anything, they merely assembly and test the system from other people's parts.

**DiGiTaIErRoR** · Nov 8th, 2003, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by kasracer
.......

Why would you even BUY a generic computer?

ugh, please re-read my post

Dell and Gateway = generic.

My point exactly. Why would you buy one?

**DiGiTaIErRoR** · Nov 8th, 2003, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by Edneeis
We have about 5 DELLs at work and have never had a problem with them. They are all workstation/desktop not laptop but none the less. Also you don't always get what you pay for. Some of the cost, a large part, of alienware is just profit and mark up. If there is another maker that sticks the same parts in theirs then its the same thing. I mean alienware doesn't actually make anything, they merely assembly and test the system from other people's parts.

I've seen a Packard Bell run for 7 years. Until I smashed it.

Alienware's suppliers differ from that of Dell's, or Gateway's.

They're into superior quality. Not the generic norm.

I'm not telling anyone to buy an Alienware. But they do offer some of the best hardware out there. And getting that all pre-configured, they aren't any more marked up than what you'd consider a 'good' Dell or Gateway.

**DiGiTaIErRoR** · Nov 8th, 2003, 03:35 AM

I would think the biggest reason for a laptop would be mobility.

Now what's the point of an expensive 'Desktop Replacement' if you don't really need mobility?

And when you are mobile, what are the chances you're going to require Workstation power?

I would definately choose a Sager if I bought a laptop. I don't need a mobile workstation, but they do make decent computers for a fair price.

Dells are Gateways are definately crap though. I would NEVER buy either.

I would never buy an Alienware either. I was merely using their computers as a hardware reference, not price. They have top-of-the-line mobile hardware, you have to give them that.

Their desktops could be recreated(do-it-yourself) for roughly $1000 less(last I checked). But that probably wouldn't have many extras, but it'd get the computer booted, and it'd be just as fast.

**plenderj** · Nov 8th, 2003, 07:01 AM

Dell machines are not generic by the way. Not that there's anything wrong with purchasing generic systems - if you do - then you can buy more generic RAM, as opposed to paying through the nose for Dell specific parts.

And gaming systems will not necessarily give you the overall top performance. They'll give you faster graphics rendering, but you might need to do number crunching instead, or SMP or a host of other things high performance tasks that gaming machines don't do.

In so far as laptops are concerned, I'd buy either Acer or Toshiba.
We shift an awful lot of these laptops every day.
If you e-mail [email protected] I can give you pricing on Monday morning. They're very competitively priced these days.

**duc** · Nov 8th, 2003, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by plenderj
Dell machines are not generic by the way. Not that there's anything wrong with purchasing generic systems - if you do - then you can buy more generic RAM, as opposed to paying through the nose for Dell specific parts.

And gaming systems will not necessarily give you the overall top performance. They'll give you faster graphics rendering, but you might need to do number crunching instead, or SMP or a host of other things high performance tasks that gaming machines don't do.

In so far as laptops are concerned, I'd buy either Acer or Toshiba.
We shift an awful lot of these laptops every day.
If you e-mail [email protected] I can give you pricing on Monday morning. They're very competitively priced these days.

What is a generic computer?

**plenderj** · Nov 8th, 2003, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by duc
What is a generic computer?

I assume its what DigitalError is referring to as a Clone Computer.

**Kasracer** · Nov 8th, 2003, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by DiGiTaIErRoR
Dell and Gateway = generic.

My point exactly. Why would you buy one?

Sorry, but you're a moron.

**DiGiTaIErRoR** · Nov 8th, 2003, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by duc
What is a generic computer?

Computer equipment which fails at the standard threshold(or before).

Compared with quality equipment which exceeds those standard thresholds.

For example, you buy CAS Latency 2.5 RAM, but it'll run just as well at CL 2. Also, precharge times, RAS latency, bank interweaving, command drive, and overclockability.

My system, for example:

ABit Motherboard KR7a
Athlon XP 1600+ w/a Thermaltake Volcano7(copper core w/case fan on it)

512 MB Pc2100 Micron Crucial DDR
Radeon 9000 Pro 128 MB DDR
Western Digital 120 GB HDD
Sony 48x CD-ROM
Ensoniq Soundcard
Intel PC2200 DSL Modem

**DiGiTaIErRoR** · Nov 8th, 2003, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by kasracer
Sorry, but you're a moron.

Your longest post in this thread has been no more than a few sentences.

I take no offense. No need to apologize. I have already deemed you intellectually vacuous, and your opinions as empty rhetoric.

**duc** · Nov 8th, 2003, 02:23 PM

You lost me. Let's put it this way. If I wanted high performace [im going to customize my dell with lotsa ram] computer which can handle lots of programs and a nice cd burner and all the updated stuffs, Would Dell be OK. [btw kasracer or w/e stop responding to my threads. Your posts are useless]

**DiGiTaIErRoR** · Nov 8th, 2003, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by duc
You lost me. Let's put it this way. If I wanted high performace [im going to customize my dell with lotsa ram] computer which can handle lots of programs and a nice cd burner and all the updated stuffs, Would Dell be OK. [btw kasracer or w/e stop responding to my threads. Your posts are useless]

I would suggest www.monarchcomputer.com

If you check them out at: www.resellerratings.com they're highly reputable.

(They're number 13 out of the whole site!)

**duc** · Nov 8th, 2003, 05:06 PM

Well actually I HAVE to get a Dell because I'm getting the laptop for christmas and we can only afford the half of price :P

I think this is the one I'm getting.

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/prod...=19&l=en&s=dhs

**Kasracer** · Nov 9th, 2003, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by DiGiTaIErRoR
Your longest post in this thread has been no more than a few sentences.

I didn't need to make a long post to try and make other brands look inferior like a certain person

**DiGiTaIErRoR** · Nov 9th, 2003, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by kasracer
I didn't need to make a long post to try and make other brands look inferior like a certain person

If brands didn't manufacture differing quality products, what would be the point of the brandname?

Your lack of words further proves you're an ignoramus.

**duc** · Nov 9th, 2003, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by DiGiTaIErRoR
If brands didn't manufacture differing quality products, what would be the point of the brandname?

Your lack of words further proves you're an ignoramus.

speak in laymans terms

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