Java - Programming Language

**WaR_MaN3** · Jun 13th, 2003, 10:07 PM

Hi all,
I might switch to Java...since thats current and its a HUGE language, better or same as C++... Does anyone know where to get a compiler? I also need a Java Forums or something like that..is there one on these forums? If so, please help me out and name a few sites like pscode or something like that...

Thanks,
WaR_MaN3

**Pirate** · Jun 13th, 2003, 10:24 PM

There is one here , you can check it out . http://www.vbforums.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=10 .
and for the similarities between Java and C++ , they are in the syntax . Which is better ? Well , each one has its own job (Java is more internet programming language or to be more specific for web pages , on the other hand , C++ is , I always say this , damn for everything else .

**Shawn N** · Jun 14th, 2003, 09:33 AM

Java is for programming games on cell phones - that's about it.

**Pirate** · Jun 14th, 2003, 09:43 AM

Oh games , for games JavaScript is heavily used like in flash games , and 3D designing programs like 3D max , Maya and that stuff .

**techyspecy** · Jun 14th, 2003, 09:52 AM

With JAVA one good thing is you wouldn't have to worry about learning new syntax all the time as it is with MS.

People spent precious years learning and mastering a language and these MS people just screw everything up by expiring the existing syntax and releasing a new one. The worst part is even the new syntax is new for 2-3 years.

Some might consider it a good thing that you're learning new all the time, but heck who needs it. They are making money that's all they care about.

With JAVA .. what they use to support in version 1 is still supported in version 3.

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by Shawn N
Java is for programming games on cell phones - that's about it.

Thats about it? WHAT???!?!?! Java is written for more than just cell phones. We use it to interface with assembly lines (embedded systems). Its used in the database market (jdbc). Its used in your CELLULAR PHONES (more embedded systems). Its used in jcard technology (like credit cards). Its all over the web. It can be used on the server side (servlets) or on the client side. It can be embedded into web pages (applets). It has been used in numerous vehicles as a vm for navigation systems. There is more to java than cell phone games.

Heres the site you want:

www.sun.com

They have java.sun forums. The SDK developer kit is free and comes with the JRE (Java Runtime Environment).

Have fun!

Jon

BTW: Java was written in the C language. C/C++ is more powerful than Java because of the usage of memory addressing and pointers. Although Java doesnt use the pointer notation..it uses objects as memory. Java's a tad easier for cleanup with the garbage collector...but at times the run time efficiency or process of cleaning allocated memory isn't quite as fast as C++'s destructors. The only problem with these is you need to release the memory.

**Pirate** · Jun 14th, 2003, 10:16 AM

That's what I hate in MS Policy . They just keep updating , changing , removing , the synatx over period of time this would make the programmers and developters confused and hinder them to continue their work . Like what's happening with VB . They released VSNET 2002 , which is far different from VB6 . Now , they released VS.NET 2003 , which some little changes . I dunno about other languages but I bet they would do the same . Oh yea , they also released completely new language called J# . It's java I believe .

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Pirate
That's what I hate in MS Policy . They just keep updating , changing , removing , the synatx over period of time this would make the programmers and developters confused and hinder them to continue their work . Like what's happening with VB . They released VSNET 2002 , which is far different from VB6 . Now , they released VS.NET 2003 , which some little changes . I dunno about other languages but I bet they would do the same . Oh yea , they also released completely new language called J# . It's java I believe .

Everyone seems to hate MS...but if you hate it so much why do you use it? No one at microsoft comes up to you and says you MUST learn J# / C# / .NET or whatever. If you pick up a book on this stuff or buy into this stuff..than you support this stuff. So if you dont want .NET to succed dont use it. But wait you're going to say all the new OS's and Software require it right? Well dont use that OS or that software. There's linux, java, etc.

I know a lot of corporations still using 2k with plain old C, C++, vb5/vb6. They don't want to change over to .NET or anything new like XP because it could affect their businesses. The problem with huge corporations is they build their structure close to what technology they are using. Changing technology means changing the business...which is very difficult and risky in the corporate business. I dont think any of this old stuff will die out for some time. I do think however..that if you dont like .NET or any of that other schmanigin sh** than dont use it. Dont download it, dont buy it, dont support it, etc. Just dont sit here and bi*** about it. People seem to think MS is in control...well they are for a reason...because of you

.

Lifes a bi***, than you marry one, than you die.

Jon

**Pirate** · Jun 14th, 2003, 10:38 AM

I do love .NET but I don't care about MS . They are selfish , just they think of how to get the money . Why other compnaies didn't do the same as MS did (change their lanuages syntax) ? They do care about their users , developers , customers .
OK , I bought couple of books on C# . VB.NET , .NET Framework , when they released VS.NET 2002 . That's fine . I had to though . I's happy . But now they released new VS.NET 2003 . **** with new MSDN 2003 !. What does that mean ? They only think about theirselves and their profits (with almost the same price as the old one) . huh .

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by Pirate
I do love .NET but I don't care about MS . They are selfish , just they think of how to get the money . Why other compnaies didn't do the same as MS did (change their lanuages syntax) ? They do care about their users , developers , customers .
OK , I bought couple of books on C# . VB.NET , .NET Framework , when they released VS.NET 2002 . That's fine . I had to though . I's happy . But now they released new VS.NET 2003 . **** with new MSDN 2003 !. What does that mean ? They only think about theirselves and their profits (with almost the same price as the old one) . huh .

Ill say it again...DONT USE IT..its that simple
jeezus i mean seriously..no one is going to charge you with not using MS software.

Jon

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Pirate
I do love .NET but I don't care about MS . They are selfish , just they think of how to get the money . Why other compnaies didn't do the same as MS did (change their lanuages syntax) ? They do care about their users , developers , customers .
OK , I bought couple of books on C# . VB.NET , .NET Framework , when they released VS.NET 2002 . That's fine . I had to though . I's happy . But now they released new VS.NET 2003 . **** with new MSDN 2003 !. What does that mean ? They only think about theirselves and their profits (with almost the same price as the old one) . huh .

I only use MS becuase our corporation here uses it and the majority of the stuff we do is just MS Products. Otherwise at home im dual booting on nix and winders. Im using a lot of java, php, apache, all this stuff is open source free. No complaining...good software out there.

Jon

**WaR_MaN3** · Jun 14th, 2003, 10:54 AM

Hi all,
Half of my head thought that since the colleges and stuff are teaching Java, I thought Java was like not for internet, and for gaming or stuff. Half of my head was right that thought it was similar to JavaScript and it was internet programming. Well now I see what Java is, because of you all (thx), and because of one side of my head (

).

I'm pretty much programming for fun, since I'm not old enough to do much... Obivously since I've been programming in VB6 and want to know Java or C++ I want to do something with my life, like programming, IT, Computer Engineering or something. But the point is, I don't really need internet programming, so I guess I'm going to start on C++, a more flexible language, WAY MUCH more than VB6... On PSCode they have source code for C/C++ so that will be a help. Also on these forums they have C/C++ forums. Mainly I think I'm going to read my brothers AP Book. May be a little advanced for my age, but owell.

Thanks for your suggestions and comments about Java. Now I really know what it does

lol and what not.

Thanks,
WaR_MaN3

**Pirate** · Jun 14th, 2003, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by jhermiz
Ill say it again...DONT USE IT..its that simple
jeezus i mean seriously..no one is going to charge you with not using MS software.
Jon

Who the **** do you think you are to tell me what to use and not to use ? huh .

btw , I just remembered a funny thing about MS . Sorry MS , I love you , their products are easy to crack . I've VS.NET 2002 , VS.NET 2003 all Archit Enterp. lol , We just need some time to understand MS . This what makes me keep using their prodcuts ! .

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by Pirate
Who the **** do you think you are to tell me what to use and not to use ? huh .

btw , I just remembered a funny thing about MS . Sorry MS , I love you , their products are easy to crack . I've VS.NET 2002 , VS.NET 2003 all Archit Enterp. lol , We just need some time to understand MS . This what makes me keep using their prodcuts ! .

.

You're crying and complaining about money and software you troll...dont farking use it.

**WaR_MaN3** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:00 AM

heh, thats pretty funny. I have to say that there CD Keys for VB6 ENTERPRISE are just numbers...

*laughs*
WaR_MaN3

*Dunno why everyone keeps posting about that, lol, but see my post, thats important, LOL

*

**Pirate** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by jhermiz
.
You're crying and complaining about money and software you troll...dont farking use it.

hehe

, money ? When I said money I's talking about something like 1999 bucks and more . Is that worth a program just for fun (like programming for fun ) ? I prefer to save some money and spend them on Hardware rather than buying softwares .

**jian2587** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:03 AM

People spent precious years learning and mastering a
language and these MS people just screw everything up by expiring the existing syntax and releasing a new one. The worst part is even the new syntax is new for 2-3 years.

Because every single employee of Microsoft sux!

**Pirate** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by jian2587

Because every single employee of Microsoft sux!

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Pirate
hehe , money ? When I said money I's talking about something like 1999 bucks and more . Is that worth a program just for fun (like programming for fun ) ? I prefer to save some money and spend them on Hardware rather than buying softwares .

So dont buy it.

Jon

**Pirate** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by jhermiz
So dont buy it.
Jon

I would never buy any software . I can crack little programs myself

, or get them off warez sites with serial and ready cracks .

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Pirate
I would never buy any software . I can crack little programs myself , or get them off warez sites with serial and ready cracks .

LOL thanks for telling the world

dumb fu**

Jon

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by jhermiz
LOL thanks for telling the world dumb fu**

Jon

Can we add this thread to woka's long list of stupidest threads?

Jon

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by Pirate
I would never buy any software . I can crack little programs myself , or get them off warez sites with serial and ready cracks .

You know whats funny about this whole thread is this Pirate guy is complaining that MS is greedy and they want to make money etc etc. Well at least they are writing code ot make the money. How does one explain his above quote.

I think ill forward this to MS

**Pirate** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by jhermiz
Can we add this thread to woka's long list of stupidest threads?
Jon

hehe, I'm already on the list hehe , and most of my posts .lol

**techyspecy** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by jhermiz
Ill say it again...DONT USE IT..its that simple
jeezus i mean seriously..no one is going to charge you with not using MS software.

Jon

You get me a job with what I am earning today in JAVA and I swear to god I'll never look back on MS techs.

You have no idea how much corporate companies are pissed off with this M$ policies. I have nothing against MS and I love there work ( after all i've programmed in VB and WEB a lot ) but there is a limit to everything.

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by techyspecy
You get me a job with what I am earning today in JAVA and I swear to god I'll never look back on MS techs.

Well thats funny.
even sun is hiring. You available in the MASS / MI areas?

We are writing embedded systems purely in java.

Jon

**techyspecy** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by jhermiz
Well thats funny.
even sun is hiring. You available in the MASS / MI areas?

We are writing embedded systems purely in java.

Jon

I do not know, neither i care what you are writing. My point is not about my job but about MS policies.

**Pirate** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by jhermiz
You know whats funny about this whole thread is this Pirate guy is complaining that MS is greedy and they want to make money etc etc. Well at least they are writing code ot make the money. How does one explain his above quote.
I think ill forward this to MS

Pirates , Crackers , Hackers do the same as I do . Nobody blame them .

(everything is free )

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by techyspecy
I do not know, neither i care what you are writing. My point is not about my job but about MS policies.

So dont use it.

Jon

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Pirate
Pirates , Crackers , Hackers do the same as I do . Nobody blame them . (everything is free )

There's a price to pay for everything. Stupidity is the most expensive

.

Jon

**techyspecy** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by jhermiz
So dont use it.

Jon

Thanks for your suggestion. Why not add this reply of yours to WOKA's list ????

**Pirate** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by techyspecy
Thanks for your suggestion. Why not add this reply of yours to WOKA's list ????

lol

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by techyspecy
Thanks for your suggestion. Why not add this reply of yours to WOKA's list ????

Hmm...maybe cause it makes sense? Let's see your bitching about software that has given you a job..if you dont like it dont use it. Anyone else see this as complicated?

Jon

**techyspecy** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by jhermiz
Hmm...maybe cause it makes sense? Let's see your bitching about software that has given you a job..if you dont like it dont use it. Anyone else see this as complicated?

Jon

Software don;t make people dude, people make 'em.

**Pirate** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by techyspecy
Software don;t make people dude, people make 'em.

not in his rule I suppose . lol

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by techyspecy
Software don;t make people dude, people make 'em.

.

This is hysterical...and what software are you using

**Pirate** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by jhermiz
There's a price to pay for everything. Stupidity is the most expensive .
Jon

wrong . Go and download some free stuff of download.com , they are completely free . hehe

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by techyspecy
Software don;t make people dude, people make 'em.

Apparently Woka writes software with a BIC pen and a scratch piece of paper

Jon

**jhermiz** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Pirate
wrong . Go and download some free stuff of download.com , they are completely free . hehe

O ya textpad and pac man are great tools..Im sure every corporate business need these hand and hand.

I suggest you modify your thread since you're wasting your time trying to cover it up.

Jon

**Pirate** · Jun 14th, 2003, 11:27 AM

Talking about time wasting , I better go and leave this thread to be thrown in chit-chat forum , since you made it more dirty with some stupid posts . lol

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