Animals and war

**please** · Apr 2nd, 2003, 07:58 AM

USA is using dolphins to find water mines.
USA is using chickens and pigeons to find poisonous gases and chemical weapons.
USA is uning monkeys to find ground mines.
What kind of animal is commanding this war?

**kleinma** · Apr 2nd, 2003, 08:09 AM

The dolphins, Atlantic bottle-noses named Makai and Tacoma, carry fin-mounted sensors which record their response to underwater targets enabling their handlers to pinpoint the location of suspected mines.

Officials say the dolphins are taught to keep a safe distance from the mines and face little risk in carrying out their duties.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...asr/index.html

Birds have always been used for detecting gas... miners always used to bring birds in mine shafts because they gas hits them first..

but I can't say I have read any articles about the monkeys or birds... do u have links to them? i would like to read them

oh yeah BTW... some of those dolphins are part of the US navy... but if you read that article.. the first line is

-- A coalition team of Australian and British navy divers aided by specially-trained dolphins have completed work to clear mines from sea lanes around the Iraqi port of Umm Qasr

**NotLKH** · Apr 2nd, 2003, 11:16 AM

I heard bolivia or morocco or someplace with some excess monkeys offered to give us some to throw on some mines, but I'm sure we "politely" turned them down.

And as to useing animals to detect poisonous gases and chem weapons, I believe we use something a little more high tech.

Of course, I could be wrong.

So, if so, feel free to give us an update.

-Lou

**please** · Apr 2nd, 2003, 12:36 PM

It really was Morocco who offered the monkeys:

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=...4-064259-1443r

I don't mind if the dolphins are Australians or what. The fact is that USA is using them.

Can you imagine how the monkeys are trained? The trainer put bananas in fake mines, and teach the monkeys to open the cover to find them. Then in real war, the monkeys try to open the real mines, and BOOOM! The sad part is that the poor monkey can't go to his collegues to tell them to stop...

**please** · Apr 2nd, 2003, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by NotLKH
I heard bolivia or morocco or someplace with some excess monkeys offered to give us some to throw on some mines, but I'm sure we "politely" turned them down.

-Lou

For you "politely" turned down, I believe it was because of the societies for animal protection and not your "politiness"

What about the animal that sends a "high tech" army to kill children, families, civilians...

**kleinma** · Apr 2nd, 2003, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by please

I don't mind if the dolphins are Australians or what. The fact is that USA is using them.

actually if you read the article i posted.. it says that Australia and Britain are the ones using them...

**kleinma** · Apr 2nd, 2003, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by please
It really was Morocco who offered the monkeys:

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=...4-064259-1443r

BTW that isn't an article.. it is 3 sentences...

**MasterBlaster** · Apr 2nd, 2003, 01:53 PM

The Coalition is using dolphins and chickens. The dolphins are well taken care of and properly trained. Negative reinforcement training on marine mamals does not work. They swim away and never come back if you are not nice to them.

Chickens are being used to detect chemical weapons attacks. Dude get over it. It's a fookin chicken. The only crime about using chickens in a war is that there is one less chicken in the world to be covered in beer batter and deep fried.

**Cander** · Apr 2nd, 2003, 01:57 PM

LOL. Chickens are not safe from any Col. Wether it be Powell or Sanders.

**JPicasso** · Apr 2nd, 2003, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by please
USA is using dolphins to find water mines.
USA is using chickens and pigeons to find poisonous gases and chemical weapons.
USA is uning monkeys to find ground mines.
What kind of animal is commanding this war?

I don't think we are using monkey to find landmines.

But what's the problem?

**NotLKH** · Apr 2nd, 2003, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by please
For you "politely" turned down, I believe it was because of the societies for animal protection and not your "politiness"

What about the animal that sends a "high tech" army to kill children, families, civilians...

Are you insinuating I would get some joyful pleasure out of drop kicking a monkey into the middle of a mine field?

Why would you think that of me?

Why would you think that of anyone?

Are you suppressing some inner torments, perhaps projecting them onto strangers?

Perhaps you need a little therapy.

-Lou

**please** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by NotLKH
Are you suppressing some inner torments, perhaps projecting them onto strangers?
Perhaps you need a little therapy.

-Lou [/B]

Who needs therapy is George W, who starts a war to demostrate something to his father.

And you didn't undestand the small irony under my statements.

**honeybee** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 06:44 AM

Originally posted by please
... the monkeys try to open the real mines, and BOOOM! The sad part is that the poor monkey can't go to his collegues to tell them to stop...

And there ain't no banana either

.

**kleinma** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 07:09 AM

Originally posted by please
Who needs therapy is George W, who starts a war to demostrate something to his father.

you cracked the case!!!! that's why we are at war!!!! oh yeah.. that and we want to colonize Iraq too... that would be wonderful as well

**plenderj** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by kleinma
that and we want to colonize Iraq too... that would be wonderful as well

Not far off it.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...279751,00.html

**honeybee** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by JPicasso
I don't think we are using monkey to find landmines.

A BBC reporter got out of his car and stepped on a landmine, only to blow himself up.

Could this be of any relevance?

Yeah, I know it's a sick joke. Sorry for that.

.

**kleinma** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 07:47 AM

Originally posted by plenderj
Not far off it.
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...279751,00.html

hmm all that article says is that we are going to have military there to create in infrastructure for govertnment before we leave.. where does that say we were colonizing?

**plenderj** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by kleinma
hmm all that article says is that we are going to have military there to create in infrastructure for govertnment before we leave.. where does that say we were colonizing?

I'm not saying you're going to colonize it, but if your military is running the country... christ almighty you're going to spawn an entire population of Osama Bin Ladens.

**Xanith** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by plenderj
I'm not saying you're going to colonize it, but if your military is running the country... christ almighty you're going to spawn an entire population of Osama Bin Ladens.

How are we going to do that? If you ask me Muslims should be happy. All of the last 5 wars we have fought were for the liberation and benefit of Muslims. Kuwait (first Gulf War), Bosnia, Kosovo, Afganistan, and now the present war to free the Iraqi people.

Saddam is not friend to the Muslim extremists he is widely seen as anti-Muslim and only uses his religious ties when it suits him politically. His persecution of the Shiites has been nothing but brutal. Saddam is the last dictator alive in the world today responsible for the deaths of over 1 million people. Support for coalition forces grows every day. Even today a prominent Islamic Ayatollah in Iraq called for the cooperation of all Muslims in Iraq with the coalition forces.

No one will miss Saddam when hes gone, especially Muslims.

X

**plenderj** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:04 AM

I didn't say he wasn't hated, and I didn't say he would be missed.
I'm saying that your occupation of the country will infuriate the region and could spark an entire wave of terrorist attacks.

And he's not the only dictactor left that's responsible for millions of deaths.
Look at china, and an entire handful of african nations.

**Xanith** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by plenderj
I didn't say he wasn't hated, and I didn't say he would be missed.
I'm saying that your occupation of the country will infuriate the region and could spark an entire wave of terrorist attacks.

And he's not the only dictactor left that's responsible for millions of deaths.
Look at china, and an entire handful of african nations.

Actually from what I have read he’s the only dictator left alive that is responsible for the deaths of over 1 million people. There are other nations and their dictators that are responsible for the deaths of countless people but from every indication it looks like Saddam was the top's that was left alive in the world today.

X

**plenderj** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:15 AM

Just because he's killed his own people doesn't give you the right to go in there and take him out.
That's what the UN is for.

If the US was so intent with overthrowing Saddam, you should have pressed the UN to secure the country, or incited a coup.

**kleinma** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by plenderj
Just because he's killed his own people doesn't give you the right to go in there and take him out.
That's what the UN is for.

hey plenderj... lets say your govt killed a crap load of your citizens.. including your family.. and the US was going to come to liberate you from your govt because of what they were doing...

would you welcome us to come there??? or would you want your government to keep in power?

**plenderj** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by kleinma
hey plenderj... lets say your govt killed a crap load of your citizens.. including your family.. and the US was going to come to liberate you from your govt because of what they were doing...

would you welcome us to come there??? or would you want your government to keep in power?

If the Irish people requested help then I would welcome you.
If you rolled your tanks into my country without us asking for help, I would fight to defend my country.

**kleinma** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by plenderj
If the Irish people requested help then I would welcome you.
If you rolled your tanks into my country without us asking for help, I would fight to defend my country.

fight to defend the people that killed your family???

how could the Iraqi people ask us for help when they are under dictatorship rule run with an iron fist? with only state run media to watch and read. with elections with only 1 candidate.

**plenderj** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by kleinma
fight to defend the people that killed your family???

how could the Iraqi people ask us for help when they are under dictatorship rule run with an iron fist? with only state run media to watch and read. with elections with only 1 candidate.

1) I would fight to defend my country.

2) There are always undergound murmerings. There is always hidden governemt opposition.

Why didn't the US roll into the cities and just ask if they want help ?
Instead you just bombed the **** out of the place, killed familes and rolled on by.

That sort of approach will only cause problems.

**plenderj** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:40 AM

And don't forget that people are returning from countries around the world to help fight for Iraq.

**Xanith** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by plenderj
And don't forget that people are returning from countries around the world to help fight for Iraq.

That’s been largely exaggerated. I actually feel sorry for the people doing so as well. They have been so brainwashed by the Arab press that they are willing to give up their lives for the most brutal dictator left on the planet in Saddam.

X

**plenderj** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by Xanith
That’s been largely exaggerated. I actually feel sorry for the people doing so as well. They have been so brainwashed by the Arab press that they are willing to give up their lives for the most brutal dictator left on the planet in Saddam.

They're fighting an invading force of their country.
They're fighting for Iraq - not Saddam.

**kleinma** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by plenderj
They're fighting an invading force of their country.
They're fighting for Iraq - not Saddam.

yes because we are going to colonize... i already have my house picked out.. as soon as we are done bombing i am moving in

**plenderj** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by kleinma
yes because we are going to colonize... i already have my house picked out.. as soon as we are done bombing i am moving in

I'm not saying because you're going to colonize.
But you are invading their country. You're a hostile force coming into their country, and searching through their homes.
That's just not on.

**kleinma** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by plenderj
I'm not saying because you're going to colonize.
But you are invading their country. You're a hostile force coming into their country, and searching through their homes.
That's just not on.

maybe you should go live there for a while and then see if you would like things with or without saddam

**plenderj** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by kleinma
maybe you should go live there for a while and then see if you would like things with or without saddam

There you see, if I oppose war you say I don't want Saddam gotten rid of.
I'm sure the country would be better off without Saddam.

I never said it wouldn't. But war isn't the solution.

**kleinma** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by plenderj
There you see, if I oppose war you say I don't want Saddam gotten rid of.
I'm sure the country would be better off without Saddam.

I never said it wouldn't. But war isn't the solution.

what is the solution? sanctions that the UN backs out of? inspections that don't do squat? what would you suggest as the solution to this threat?

**run_GMoney** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 10:19 AM

Whatever we're not doing

**plenderj** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by kleinma
what is the solution? sanctions that the UN backs out of? inspections that don't do squat? what would you suggest as the solution to this threat?

1) For the hundreth time now - incite a coup.
Send in forces to organize and incite a coup and let the people take over the country themselves.

2) No-one cared 5 years ago that the UN wasn't doing much about the resolutions passed.

3) See #1

**kleinma** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by plenderj
2) No-one cared 5 years ago that the UN wasn't doing much about the resolutions passed.

see what does that mean?? because no one cared 5 years ago we shouldn't care now???? i mean come on...

no one cared about AIDS a while ago because it was a "GAY" disease... if it was taken more seriously it might not have spread so badly...

BTW how are the Iraqi people supposed to rise up and defeat a ruler that will just whipe them all out??? he did it to the kurds why would he not do it to his people that rise up against him

**Memnoch1207** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 10:54 AM

1) For the hundreth time now - incite a coup.
Send in forces to organize and incite a coup and let the people take over the country themselves.

It will never happen. They're scared, they don't have enough people willing to fight, they would get slaughtered, and they don't have the weapons to do it. besides what's the difference between do that and doing this??? Either way our troops would be over there fighting???

2) No-one cared 5 years ago that the UN wasn't doing much about the resolutions passed.

Thanks to the Clinton administration, he was more worried about nailing an intern then what was going on in the middle east.

**Xanith** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by plenderj
1) For the hundreth time now - incite a coup.
Send in forces to organize and incite a coup and let the people take over the country themselves.

2) No-one cared 5 years ago that the UN wasn't doing much about the resolutions passed.

3) See #1

That’s exactly what they have been trying to do for 12 years. Through sanctions and covert operations. This has been a big failure and Saddam despite all attempts has remained in power.

And Clinton was in power at this time and failed to deal with Saddam during his presidency. Plus 9/11 changed the world in many ways pushing threats like Saddam to the forefront.

X

**honeybee** · Apr 3rd, 2003, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Xanith
How are we going to do that? If you ask me Muslims should be happy. All of the last 5 wars we have fought were for the liberation and benefit of Muslims. Kuwait (first Gulf War), Bosnia, Kosovo, Afganistan, and now the present war to free the Iraqi people.

Saddam is not friend to the Muslim extremists he is widely seen as anti-Muslim and only uses his religious ties when it suits him politically. His persecution of the Shiites has been nothing but brutal. Saddam is the last dictator alive in the world today responsible for the deaths of over 1 million people. Support for coalition forces grows every day. Even today a prominent Islamic Ayatollah in Iraq called for the cooperation of all Muslims in Iraq with the coalition forces.

No one will miss Saddam when hes gone, especially Muslims.

X

You managed to destroy two Muslim countries.

Both Taliban and Saddam had been created by you in the first place.

Your government is not-so-surprisingly silent about Israel's violations of the UN resolutions, and has been helping it do so by using its own veto power.

I don't think the Arabs can think highly of the US after that.

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