How do the US expect to win support when they do stuff like this ?

[plenderj]

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...275844,00.html

[Gaffer]

Agreed - it make the war experts statements of "this could be a war without civilan loss" absolutely ridiculous.

And there's me thinking this was a war against Saddam and terrorism. Looked pretty terrifying to me....

I hope this is worth it

[plenderj]

We'll never know

[Pc_Madness]

Your an idiot. The US doesn't have control over how a missile will ultimately react, and, in reality, the Iraqi's brought this on themselves by burning the oil and such. (I'm assuming this is what they mean by poor weather.)

20 people dead is hardly worth cracking a hissy fit over, its war gentlemen. Some people seem to be forgetting this.

[swatty]

War you say.

Cause GWB calls is War.

GWB is a terrorist himself and is using the us citizens to reach his goal.

He calls it WAR and therefore can bomb anything he wants.

I'll hope his day will come as well, and you'll open your eyes.

[plenderj]

Its a war the americans started to "help" and "save" the Iraqi people.
They would have been better off left alone!

[Pc_Madness]

Define the word "war" for me Swatty.

[Pc_Madness]

Originally posted by plenderj
Its a war the americans started to "help" and "save" the Iraqi people.
They would have been better off left alone!

lol. Better off? I doubt that. Why is it that other countries have been "flooding" (thank Mr howard for that term ) by Iraqi refugees? Why is it that people in the southern Iraqi cities are fighting against Iraqi soldiers? Cause there country has sucked ever since Saddam came into power. Since they aren't willing/able to save themselves, it is only the right thing to do but to help them.

[plenderj]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
The US doesn't have control over how a missile will ultimately react

If the US can't control their own missles they shouldn't be firing any.

[plenderj]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
lol. Better off? I doubt that. Why is it that other countries have been "flooding" (thank Mr howard for that term ) by Iraqi refugees? Why is it that people in the southern Iraqi cities are fighting against Iraqi soldiers? Cause there country has sucked ever since Saddam came into power. Since they aren't willing/able to save themselves, it is only the right thing to do but to help them.

There aren't floods of Iraqi refugees.
Iraqis are leaving other countries and going back to Iraq to fight the Americans.

There were reports there might have been an uprising in Basra.
But no-one knows how big it was.
It could have been a handful of people for all we know.

They are being punished because they can't overthrow Saddam.
And where was the US last time they said they'd help the people overthrow Saddam ?

Odd and sudden change of heart.

[Pc_Madness]

Originally posted by plenderj
If the US can't control their own missles they shouldn't be firing any.

Would you prefer that they just bomb the hell out of all the cities with dumb bombs like the allies did during WW2? If the Iraqis didn't keep soldiers in the cities in the first place, then there wouldn't need to be a bombing of cities.

Originally posted by plenderj
There aren't floods of Iraqi refugees.
Iraqis are leaving other countries and going back to Iraq to fight the Americans.

Might want to do a search on the Tampa crisis, Mr Plenderj, it should lead onto the more serious problem that is the flooding of illegal immgrants to western nations, notably Australia.

Large proportations of the people were from Iraq and Afganistan.

[swatty]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
Define the word "war" for me Swatty.

Battle between two or more states.

He uses his presidenthood to use the word war , chief of state.

[Maven]

Originally posted by plenderj
If the US can't control their own missles they shouldn't be firing any.

If your so smart lets see you make a better one.... We have the most acurate in the world...

[plenderj]

Originally posted by Maven
If your so smart lets see you make a better one.... We have the most acurate in the world...

My opinion is that you shouldn't be firing any at all.

[Pc_Madness]

Originally posted by plenderj
My opinion is that you shouldn't be firing any at all.

And clearly, 12 years of that has done an excellent job.

[plenderj]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
Would you prefer that they just bomb the hell out of all the cities with dumb bombs like the allies did during WW2? If the Iraqis didn't keep soldiers in the cities in the first place, then there wouldn't need to be a bombing of cities.




Might want to do a search on the Tampa crisis, Mr Plenderj, it should lead onto the more serious problem that is the flooding of illegal immgrants to western nations, notably Australia.

Large proportations of the people were from Iraq and Afganistan.

1) I would prefer you don't bomb anything at all.
2) Most of the people were from Afghanistan. I don't even think there were any Iraqis there.

[swatty]

Originally posted by Maven
If your so smart lets see you make a better one.... We have the most acurate in the world...

The allmighty said.

Time you learn there are others on earth too.
Don't think you know it all and can do whatever you like.

[Maven]

Originally posted by plenderj
My opinion is that you shouldn't be firing any at all.

Go be a human sheild for one of Saddams rape chambers if you feel the need to help out.

[swatty]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
And clearly, 12 years of that has done an excellent job.

I wonder if GWB wasn't elected .

[plenderj]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
And clearly, 12 years of that has done an excellent job.

No-one's lifted a finger in 12 years to make him prove he doesn't have any illegal weapons.

And what about Russia ?
No-one has found any illegal chemical weapons in Iraq yet, but russia actually used chemical weapons not too long ago.
The US doesn't seem to care about that.

[plenderj]

Originally posted by Maven
Go be a human sheild for one of Saddams rape chambers if you feel the need to help out.

Rape chambers ? What ?
http://www.google.ie/search?q=saddam...-8&hl=en&meta=

[Pc_Madness]

Originally posted by plenderj
1) I would prefer you don't bomb anything at all.
2) Most of the people were from Afghanistan. I don't even think there were any Iraqis there.

Pull up the figures on population detention origins, I'm sure australia has it somewhere.

And if your feeling really clever, and have an excellent search engine, you could do a search to find the total % of iraq orgin in western nations.

[honeybee]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
Your an idiot. The US doesn't have control over how a missile will ultimately react, and, in reality, the Iraqi's brought this on themselves by burning the oil and such. (I'm assuming this is what they mean by poor weather.)

20 people dead is hardly worth cracking a hissy fit over, its war gentlemen. Some people seem to be forgetting this.

Burning oil wells could hardly be called bad weather. Of course if GWB has coined a new term called "Bad Weather" to represent it, I have no idea.

From what I know, the oil wells in the Southern Iraq have been set on fire, and the air raids were taking place on Baghdad. Consult a map if you are unsure and you will find out yourself how ridiculous it is to blame the misbehaving missiles on the burning oil wells.

Yeah, 20 dead civilians is nothing to you, because you lost about 3000 didn't you? So you will start to worry about civilian deaths only after the toll reaches 3000, because then the old score will have been settled

So much for the technical accuracy of the US weapons.

.

[Pc_Madness]

Originally posted by swatty
The allmighty said.

Time you learn there are others on earth too.
Don't think you know it all and can do whatever you like.

Don't quote that ****, if we wanted fairy tales, we'd get a disney book.

[plenderj]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
Don't quote that ****, if we wanted fairy tales, we'd get a disney book.

Fairy tales ?
Like Saddam being a threat to the rest of the world ?

[honeybee]

Originally posted by Maven
Go be a human sheild for one of Saddams rape chambers if you feel the need to help out.

What an informed comment

.

[plenderj]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
Pull up the figures on population detention origins, I'm sure australia has it somewhere.

The Iraqis involved in the Tampa crisis came from Indonesia.

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
And if your feeling really clever, and have an excellent search engine, you could do a search to find the total % of iraq orgin in western nations.

What ?

[Pc_Madness]

Originally posted by honeybee
Burning oil wells could hardly be called bad weather. Of course if GWB has coined a new term called "Bad Weather" to represent it, I have no idea.

From what I know, the oil wells in the Southern Iraq have been set on fire, and the air raids were taking place on Baghdad. Consult a map if you are unsure and you will find out yourself how ridiculous it is to blame the misbehaving missiles on the burning oil wells.

Yeah, 20 dead civilians is nothing to you, because you lost about 3000 didn't you? So you will start to worry about civilian deaths only after the toll reaches 3000, because then the old score will have been settled

So much for the technical accuracy of the US weapons.

.

Are you saying smoke and dust storms wouldn't affect a piece of machiney?

Clearly, you are misinformed. The Iraqi's have dug trenches around Baghad, filled them with oil, and set them alight to hide Baghad from bombers. Whether thats the cause of the missile going astray, no-one can say. Maybe the Iraqi's used one of there jammers on it?

20 people dead is nothing. 1 man killed 37 people in a shooting spree, and I won't go into detail of how he killed them. Only 20 people killed in a war is excellent. What were the figures from WW2? Vietnam? Korea? Gulf War 1? The US is doing the best it can to control civilian deaths, and for that I think it should be congratulated.

Jamie
I don't believe in god, and I would have to doubt that anyone should over the last few years of the amount of blood spilt.


Swatty
Even if Mr Bush wasn't elected properly, Mr Gore would have done something similar, if of course, there was anything wrong with the vote, which I doubt. The right man is in office, I believe.

[swatty]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
Don't quote that ****, if we wanted fairy tales, we'd get a disney book.

An american disney book that is.

[plenderj]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
Jamie
I don't believe in god, and I would have to doubt that anyone should over the last few years of the amount of blood spilt.

God has nothing to do with this. These are actions by people on other people.
We should realize by now that war isn't the answer.

[Pc_Madness]

Originally posted by plenderj
The Iraqis involved in the Tampa crisis came from Indonesia.


What ?

Well done. The people work there way done through the asian countries, where policing of such matters is also zero, and use Indo as a launching point into australia.


Do a search for the % of US population to see how many of them originated from Iraq. Will give you a picture on how many people are trying to run away from the place.

[plenderj]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
Well done. The people work there way done through the asian countries, where policing of such matters is also zero, and use Indo as a launching point into australia.


Do a search for the % of US population to see how many of them originated from Iraq. Will give you a picture on how many people are trying to run away from the place.

1) Irrespective of what country they came through, its hardly proof of why they left.

2) So? People emmigrate from countries all the time.


People emmigrated from Ireland to the UK and US because this country was so poor in the past.
Does that mean we should be bombed just because we had mass emmigrations ?

[Pc_Madness]

Originally posted by plenderj
God has nothing to do with this. These are actions by people on other people.
We should realize by now that war isn't the answer.

Did you even read Swatty's post? It made reference to god. Tell him that it has nothing to do with it

[swatty]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness

Swatty
Even if Mr Bush wasn't elected properly, Mr Gore would have done something similar, if of course, there was anything wrong with the vote, which I doubt. The right man is in office, I believe.

I don't think you can say what another one would do.

Wrong votes or not, my point is GWB wants to settle things which his father couldn't.

[plenderj]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
Did you even read Swatty's post? It made reference to god. Tell him that it has nothing to do with it

1) You quoted me, and then replied re; god.
2) I don't see any reference to god by swatty ?

[swatty]

Originally posted by Pc_Madness
Did you even read Swatty's post? It made reference to god. Tell him that it has nothing to do with it

Then you didn't read it properly.

The allmighty American said.

If God was an american it wasn't referring to him.

[Pc_Madness]

Originally posted by plenderj
1) Irrespective of what country they came through, its hardly proof of why they left.

2) So? People emmigrate from countries all the time.


People emmigrated from Ireland to the UK and US because this country was so poor in the past.
Does that mean we should be bombed just because we had mass emmigrations ?

It still shows us that alot of people are leaving a country for a reason. Connect the dots. The state of which Iraq was in before the war is all the result of Saddams actions as president.

[plenderj]

But nothing to do with the sanctions imposed and the fact that he's only limited on the number of barrels of oil per day he can sell

[plenderj]

And irrespective of what sort of situation the country is in, what right does that give the US to overthrow the president ?

There are many many countries around the world far worse off.
But the US doesn't lift a finger for those countries does it.

[Pc_Madness]

Originally posted by swatty
Then you didn't read it properly.

The allmighty American said.

If God was an american it wasn't referring to him.

Ok, are you going to make any decent posts in this thread?