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Oct 10th, 2000, 12:19 AM
#29
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My friend...
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1. God created us
2. God gave us free will
3. God knows the entire future to come
... Can you answer that question?
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First of all, I didn't know you held to this opinion, but I'm assuming that you really don't because you have made it plain that you don't serve God at all. If you are using this as an argument then I don't know where you are coming from, because it is plainly obvious that you are making an obvious choice NOT to serve God, and I am making the choice TO serve God with all that I am. It sounds to me as if you are trying to throw me into a For Next..Loop with this comment. 
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Adam was not told of this before eating the apple... in fact he was not told of ANY consequences, just simply not to do it.
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Ok, GenX, I've been reading your posts and been giving you the benefit of the doubt, but this statement is just plain wrong. You haven't read this account have you? Here's what the bible says..
Gen 1:16,17 ..And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
I don't know if you think that expiration is a strong enough consequence, but I think it's about as plain as you can get.
And the point is, that Adam did die. He was created to live forever. Did you know that?
In addition, who said anything about God being a 'loving and forgiving God'? God forgave throughout history due to a repeated animal sacrifice being made to Him at His command. There are a lot of scriptures portraying God's anger toward man.
No, the "loving" you are speaking of is portrayed in His Son, Jesus. Who came, as many of my brothers and sisters have stated it plainly, to end the sacrifice once and for all. God was appeased with the sacrifice of his own Son. Talk about harsh.. and I'm a Christian.
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Thirdly, anyone can write something and make it so ambiguous and open to be taken a thousand ways and have someone liken it to an event in history
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Again, it is plain to me that you haven't read the prophecies you are commenting on. For example, before Jesus was even born, not by one, but my many men, each prophesied about some small part of the coming, crucifixion, and resurrection of Christ. Every prophesy was fulfilled, leaving none unfulfilled. And historically, in the book of Daniel, each nation coming into world power from the Medes to the Roman empire was predicted perfectly BEFORE it happened. This only leaves one portion of the Bible unfulfilled. Let's just pick a small one. Well, it's not really small in the scheme of things, but for the sake of example... The antichrist. It specifically says that he will be personally held responsible for peace in the middle east (and the world for that matter), become a world recognized figure and that he will have suffered a critical wound to the head and come back to life. I don't know how much more specific you can get with that. It also says that he will lull Israel into peace and after 3 1/2 years he will go back on his promises to Israel.
So getting back to your original question:
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What kind of a depraved and SICK deity would allow that kind of attrocity to occur in their world to someone who never did anything wrong to anyone?
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It sounds to me GenX, that you are asking the question as if you want an exact answer. As if we could know the mind of God. Whether you see him as a depraved and SICK deity or a 'masochistic' God, He is still God, and you can deny it all you want. It's like the clay pot created by a master potter denying he was made, it makes no sense.
My answer? Yes, because of a man's decision, there is disease, death, destruction, mayhem, disaster, atrocities and injustices in the world. They are the snowballing effect of sin in the world and nothing man can do will save him from this. It only gets worse from here. And those 2 children you spoke of. Well, I don't think they are fretting at ALL where they are, because I believe they are actually LIVING in another dimension.
I see that many other people have stated the GOOD news here, so I won't bore you with that. Personally, I find it rather exciting to be able to exit a decaying planet some day simply because I humbly accepted a gift I never deserved, and could never earn.
Again, with all respect,
KFayal
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