Pentium or Celeron?

**mendhak** · Feb 6th, 2003, 08:19 AM

What sort of a user would go for a Pentium, and what sort of a user would go for a Celeron?

In other words, "If I use so and so applications, I should get a Pentium, but if I use these apps and not those, then I should got a Celeron."

Any elaborations?

**alex_read** · Feb 6th, 2003, 08:25 AM

What sort of a user would go for a Pentium
- a wise man
and what sort of a user would go for a Celeron
- an idiot

I chose a celeron in my laptop & am regretting it ever since. I've put a load of tweaks on it to speed things up, but there's a performance hit with everything!!

Internet (kazaa) & programming, i.e. visual basic are the worst ones - run fine on a similar spec pc with an athlon by with my celeron they're just slow & crap.

**BodwadUK** · Feb 6th, 2003, 08:48 AM

Celeron is for people who dont know anything about PC's and think they are getting a deal!!!!

Pentium is way better but you cant beat an Athlon XP

**Rick Bull** · Feb 6th, 2003, 08:54 AM

I thought Celerons were OK if you aren't planning to use CPU intensive apps like DVD players, games and that kind of thing. For word processing and such I thought it was fine?

What's the difference? Less cache on the Celeron?

**NoteMe** · Feb 6th, 2003, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by BodwadUK

Pentium is way better but you cant beat an Athlon XP

You could always use MP...

**BodwadUK** · Feb 6th, 2003, 10:12 AM

Less cache and also an unstable arcitecture. The making is less precise and has a tendancy to cause less stability and cause it to go slower than the original Pentiums.

You sacrifice stability for lower cost.

For apps like word the celeron is ok but not for games, DVD quality is based mainly on graphics card and has very little to do with the processor. if you want it for simple work in a simple office celeron is ideal if you want it to do something for you that requires uummmpffff then dont go with celeron.

**NoteMe** · Feb 6th, 2003, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by BodwadUK
Less cache and also an unstable arcitecture. The making is less precise and has a tendancy to cause less stability and cause it to go slower than the original Pentiums.

You sacrifice stability for lower cost.

Just wondering...are you talking about the Celeron or MP processor now...??

**BodwadUK** · Feb 6th, 2003, 10:20 AM

Celeron

Ok *** is an MP????????

**NoteMe** · Feb 6th, 2003, 10:23 AM

MP...is AMD Athlons best prosessor...it's mainly used for servers and dualboards...

...I've gt it...

**BodwadUK** · Feb 6th, 2003, 10:54 AM

Can i have it???

How much your PC Cost and how old is it???

**NoteMe** · Feb 6th, 2003, 10:58 AM

I can't remember what it did cost..or don't want to...and no you can't have it...it as old as my account here at VBForum...

**mendhak** · Feb 7th, 2003, 01:31 AM

Hmm...
OK, let's say I work with the following:

PHP, ASP, VisualInterDev, Visual Basic, C++
SQL Server
mySQL
MS Word, Access, Front Page
Internet stuff: Morpheus, IE, Yahoo, MSN
Flash, PaintSHopPro...
IIS web server... uhm...
One antivirus, obviously...
That's it.

I don't play games anymore... SO which of the above ones qualify as an "uummmphhh" application. Does this warrant me to get a Pentium, or will a Celeron still do here?

**alex_read** · Feb 7th, 2003, 02:45 AM

I've seen slow performance with these on mine:
ASP, VisualInterDev, Visual Basic, C++, SQL Server, MS Word, Morpheus, IE, MSN

I could see there maybe a problem with these too:
PaintShopPro, Flash & the antivirus

*** is front page doing in there ?!?!?!?! - no excuse for that one!

**BodwadUK** · Feb 7th, 2003, 03:24 AM

You need a pentium because Webserver need umpff to keep going, VB etc needs umpfff for running and compiling

Word ,Access excel and most internet apps will be fine on a celeron make your choice

**alex_read** · Feb 7th, 2003, 03:32 AM

Depends if he's doing any work with vba or has documents or databases with lots of pictures in (or using the clipboard a lot to copy & paste bits between the office apps).

Generally, the internet is okay, but as soon as you use Morpheus or Kazaa etc, you can kiss your speed goodbye - it's not even worth trying to use some of the other apps if you're downloading a lot.

**BodwadUK** · Feb 7th, 2003, 03:35 AM

Celerons can cope with that sort of stuff their not THAT cr**

P.s That was a Joke

**VisionIT** · Feb 7th, 2003, 04:46 AM

Originally posted by BodwadUK
Pentium is way better but you cant beat an Athlon XP

Er...

Athlon 64? That beats the XP by a long way!

It's the first x86 64bit processor for the general public! 99% of MB's won't support it yet... so make sure yours does before you buy one!

AMD MP's will now become AMD Opterons BTW, they are starting to provide new server solutions.

Regards,

Paul.

**mendhak** · Feb 7th, 2003, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by alex_read
I've seen slow performance with these on mine:
ASP, VisualInterDev, Visual Basic, C++, SQL Server, MS Word, Morpheus, IE, MSN

I could see there maybe a problem with these too:
PaintShopPro, Flash & the antivirus

That right there decided it for me. It's pentium for my laptop. Thanks.

*** is front page doing in there ?!?!?!?! - no excuse for that one!

Only for validation!!! I still use notepad

(and it's better than Dreamweaver at least)

**MasterBlaster** · Feb 7th, 2003, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Rick Bull

What's the difference? Less cache on the Celeron?

What BodwadUK said. Celerons don't have the xtra burst cache that the pentiums have. The poor design causes them to run hot also. I had an older celeron and had to mod my case to keep the thing from overheating. It eventually cooked itself, even with the in/out 2 fan system I put in it. Biggest waste of $500 I've been guilty of in a while.

AMD make a helluva nice processor also, you may want to consider one of those also. Personally, I only use pentiums cause of the stability and their ability to run a bit hot without cooking themselvs.

**mendhak** · Feb 8th, 2003, 01:29 PM

If the Celerons are known to behave as you mention (cooking), why does Intel make them then?

**NoteMe** · Feb 8th, 2003, 01:44 PM

To sell finished PC packages to families that has no clue about PCs...

**VisionIT** · Feb 8th, 2003, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by NoteMe
To sell finished PC packages to families that has no clue about PCs...

Dead right

Regards,

Paul.

**NoteMe** · Feb 8th, 2003, 02:46 PM

I worked in a PC shop before, and we sold computer stuff, so I know a whole lot of how to sell those computers to naive families....

**Sastraxi** · Feb 9th, 2003, 12:49 AM

I had a celly 533 and never had any problems with it... of course I had no say in what my computer was going to have at that point so I was stuck with it

. They're pretty slow, mine however matched well a K7-550 (I think, maybe it was a K6), it was something like 1500 3DMarks vs. maybe 1450 (same gfx and ram, mind you). If you're into budget computing, you may want to think twice about a celeron (now... the mendocinos were okay but the coppermines are pretty bad... my cel. 533 mendocino beat a server's cel. 733 coppermine). Your best bet would be a Duron. My dad picked up a Duron 1200+ (rated at nearly a GHZ I think) for one of the servers, and it was excellent, and very very cheap as well.

**VisionIT** · Feb 9th, 2003, 10:41 AM

Just a quick note regarding the Duron's mentioned by Sastraxi...

The duron's don't have Quantispeed technology, and therefore they run at the given speed.

IE
D1200 = 1200Mhz (or slightly higher)
D1300 = 1300Mhz (or slightly higher)

XP 1600's (1.3Ghz) are as cheap as the durons... and they do run Quantispeed. Much better option for people who love speed driven systems, although 1600's are really dated now!

Coppermine BTW,

WHAT A JOKE!

Regards,

Paul.

**BodwadUK** · Feb 10th, 2003, 03:13 AM

Durons are very good budget processors and most motherboards supporting a Duron also support Athlons so you could get a board that supports both and a Duron until you can afford an athlon. Oh and Duron being faded out so be quick

Mhz speed doenst actually judge a processor by its speed, the athlon XP 1800 actually runs at 1.5ghz but in contrast to the pentium it is effectively equel to the 1.8ghz Pentium processor.

GO AMD

Other system specs need to be looked at like ram in order to get the full effect from your processor anyway so processor isnt everything. (it just wont work without one

)

**mendhak** · Feb 10th, 2003, 03:42 AM

What is the difference between Athlon and Duron? I have absolutely no idea about these.

For what reasons would I opt for an Athlon/Duron, and which one of these is better?

**VisionIT** · Feb 10th, 2003, 04:48 AM

Less L1 & L2 cache on Durons... making them slow and laggy! Athlon's have 256/512 cache, although the XP's & 64's have a different band of cache and therefore can't be compared to previous models.

Regards,

Paul.

**mendhak** · Feb 10th, 2003, 05:27 AM

Hmm...

so that makes

Duron ~ Celeron
Athlon ~ Pentium.

You mentioned something about AMD processors not having Quantispeed. For reasons that are lost to me, I know that AMD has an equivalent (?) of Quantispeed, called Netburst.

That is all I know.

**VisionIT** · Feb 10th, 2003, 05:47 AM

Er...

I think you have that backwards M8y...

AMD DO have quantispeed, strangly called Quantispeed

Netburst is fitted with Pentium's. AMD Durons don't have quantispeed, and neither do original athlons, but the XP's and AMD 64's do!

Take a look at the XP model 8 data sheet for more details.

Regards,

Paul.

**BodwadUK** · Feb 10th, 2003, 06:01 AM

My Order Of preferance from cost - speed

Celeron - Duron - P4 - Athlon XP

Thats all you need to know isnt it???

**mendhak** · Feb 10th, 2003, 11:21 AM

Yep, That's all I need to know

VisionIT: No way in HELL am I going to be looking at a specs sheet

**Sastraxi** · Feb 10th, 2003, 12:17 PM

P4s cost more than Athlon XPs though.... nowadays you'd be pretty wacky to get a P4.

**VisionIT** · Feb 10th, 2003, 02:30 PM

It's only 200 sheets!

I'll send it to ya!

Regards,

Paul.

**JoshT** · Feb 10th, 2003, 02:30 PM

The fastest available P4's do outperform the fastest available Athlon XP's. Hopefully AMD will fix this problem without having their chips cost as much.

**VisionIT** · Feb 10th, 2003, 02:32 PM

They already have...

I can't tell you any prices just yet though. Rest assured... AMD 64's have already topped P4's 3 fold!

Regards,

Paul.

**JoshT** · Feb 10th, 2003, 02:35 PM

I can go buy a P4 today, can't but an Athlon 64, problem not solved - Intel will also have faster chips out when AMD releases theirs whenever.

**VisionIT** · Feb 10th, 2003, 05:42 PM

True

You could post that everyday for the next ten years... and you'de still have to wait for either brand to build a bigger, better model. Just be patient... and AMD will command the CPU market, promise.

Intel... greedy and well, they created the Celeron for god-sake!
AMD... cost effective, quality & quick, although they did release the K6-3 (Still don't know why?)

As regards P4's out-performing latest AMD's... i strongly disagree M8 (Sorry

). The AMD 3000+ easily blows Intel's P4 3.06 out of the water. Just benchmark 'em!

Regards,

Paul.

**BodwadUK** · Feb 11th, 2003, 03:21 AM

AMD processors are much better than Intels and cheaper.

Intel are mainly around only because new people to PC's have heard about pentium's but not AMD processors so they assume the pentium is better.

Dont get me wrong Pentium do have a good processor but they shouldnt be considered at the front of the market because quite bluntly they are not. Ask any PC user and most will say AMD are better.

And Pentium have deals with microsoft (More so than AMD) that will stop any third party software vendor without a license (From Microsoft) from installing packages on most machines!!!!

P.s Cant remmeber whats its called but it is a chip on a motherboard that can be desabled (But wont as standard) and prevents a program without a special Key from working. Microsofts Idea and many others are jumping on the bandwagon because it sells as "Extra Security". DAMN RIPOFF IF YOU ASK ME!!!!

Microsoft have also started (with many more companies e.g Compaq, and i think intel) procedings that will make it illegal to distribute freeware without a license and that will really piss off alot of people if it gets through the courts!!!!!!

Damn sorry i have run off the subject and let my feelings get it the way

If any of these go through then F*** microsoft and Hail Linux and Illegal software vendors

**VisionIT** · Feb 11th, 2003, 04:47 AM

Microsoft have also started (with many more companies e.g Compaq, and i think intel) procedings that will make it illegal to distribute freeware without a license and that will really piss off alot of people if it gets through the courts!!!!!!

Haven't heard that M8! It's damn stupid

It'll be laughed out of court if it even gets that far.

Damn sorry i have run off the subject and let my feelings get it the way

Hey.... no probs.

Glad you told everyone about the Microsoft scandal. You're a public service, LOL

Those chip's your on about... are called EEPROM's. They can be flashed in the same way as your BIOS. Again though, we have ways here of wiping locked EEPROMS... and it's damn simple. Or, just convert the programs to ASM, and remove any references to the EEPROM!

I believe you can now create virtual EEPROM's which any package you create can make use of. It's just add's a virtual device to your system like VPC does, and read's data from it. Only the user who created it can modify the settings through an admin panel, which you'd obviously create

Kind Regards,

Paul.

P.S They could also be TTL chips, although it's very doubtful.

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