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Jan 3rd, 2003, 11:35 AM
#1
Thread Starter
Fanatic Member
the most popular ???
hello there,
What is the most common and popular game -developping program? is it VB , c++ or other? can u compare them to FLASH?
which of them is the easiest and simple to learn?
Thanks
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Jan 3rd, 2003, 02:13 PM
#2
C/C++ is the most popular when it comes to commercial high quality games...
you will find a varietly of lesser games written in C/C++ and VB also... but no $50 game off the shelf @ a computer store is likely to be written in VB...
as far as flash.. that is really just for web programming.. comparable to games you can find on the net written in java....
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Jan 4th, 2003, 06:07 PM
#3
which of them is the easiest and simple to learn?
VB is easier but C/C++ is faster ...
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Jan 6th, 2003, 05:32 PM
#4
Originally posted by NoteMe
VB is easier but C/C++ is faster ...
Which is the reason why so many small games are written in VB. They don't really need the speed of highly optimized "Gaming C++".
All the buzzt
 CornedBee
"Writing specifications is like writing a novel. Writing code is like writing poetry."
- Anonymous, published by Raymond Chen
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Jan 6th, 2003, 06:22 PM
#5
Member
hey
Flash is probably the easiest, just download the demos of something like Flashplayer 4 or something, and go through the tuts...u could finish the tuts in about an hour or so depending on how quick you pick shyt up, but after the tuts, u should have a basic understanding of it, then google it and search for more tuts for advanced shizz. but if ur going to VB or C++, vb is probably easier cause its cleaner than C++. but once u picked it up, then go for C++ cause inevetably you'll need to use C++ in the future for hardcore gaming, but if ur just starting, u may as well mess with VB cause as a beginner ur not going to want to undertake a complex game such as quake 3 or something like that cause you wont ever finish it and get swamped. so work with VB and then u'll have a sweet ass understanding of code, i dont know, in my opinion VB should be the starter language for any beginner simply because its the easiest and quickest to pick up. (besides flash) but flash isnt REALLY a language...
Wombat
"I like to go to the schoolyard where i can watch the little kids jumping and screaming....but they dont know im using blanks"
"Before you set yourself on fire, remember to take off your shoes... nothing smells worse than burning rubber."
"They advertise that certain laundry detergents can take blood stains out of clothes, i say that if you have blood stains on your clothes, maybe your laundry is the least of your worries."
Sometimes when I'm driving around I see a sign that says, CAUTION: SMALL CHILDREN PLAYING. I slow down, and then it occurs to me: I'm not afraid of small children.
"My programs dont have bugs, they have random features" - MisianThrop
"The good thing about our ticket to the future is that it's always blank" - Trigun
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Jan 6th, 2003, 06:31 PM
#6
...at my school, everybody is starting using JAVA...
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Jan 6th, 2003, 07:22 PM
#7
Member
hey
its funny you mention that, im in my Java class right now, BUT, java isnt kool to learn if u dont have a good understanding of c++...so i would wait on that if u lack the knowledge of c++
Wombat
"I like to go to the schoolyard where i can watch the little kids jumping and screaming....but they dont know im using blanks"
"Before you set yourself on fire, remember to take off your shoes... nothing smells worse than burning rubber."
"They advertise that certain laundry detergents can take blood stains out of clothes, i say that if you have blood stains on your clothes, maybe your laundry is the least of your worries."
Sometimes when I'm driving around I see a sign that says, CAUTION: SMALL CHILDREN PLAYING. I slow down, and then it occurs to me: I'm not afraid of small children.
"My programs dont have bugs, they have random features" - MisianThrop
"The good thing about our ticket to the future is that it's always blank" - Trigun
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Jan 6th, 2003, 07:25 PM
#8
I have little or no experience with C++, but I can bompile JAVA Aplications in my head with ease...No problem there....We are starting with C++ next year. We are soon heading up for some ASM programming ass well.....love it...
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Jan 6th, 2003, 07:27 PM
#9
Member
hey
well if u got the skillz with java then c++ should be fairly easy, but still, what could be easier than VB? especially when you have no knowledge at all, if ur working the java then thats kool, but in general..keep to it
Wombat
"I like to go to the schoolyard where i can watch the little kids jumping and screaming....but they dont know im using blanks"
"Before you set yourself on fire, remember to take off your shoes... nothing smells worse than burning rubber."
"They advertise that certain laundry detergents can take blood stains out of clothes, i say that if you have blood stains on your clothes, maybe your laundry is the least of your worries."
Sometimes when I'm driving around I see a sign that says, CAUTION: SMALL CHILDREN PLAYING. I slow down, and then it occurs to me: I'm not afraid of small children.
"My programs dont have bugs, they have random features" - MisianThrop
"The good thing about our ticket to the future is that it's always blank" - Trigun
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Jan 6th, 2003, 07:31 PM
#10
I actually hate JAVA...no good for games......so I'm stuck with VB until next year, then I'm taking the big step into the real world....C++ for all my money...(and time force)...
But my opinion is that JAVA is a bit more easy then C+, you don’t have many to many heritance and stuff like that in JAVA...
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Jan 6th, 2003, 08:10 PM
#11
Member
hey
oh, well i dont know, i'll find out how easy it is, but im in my first class of Java..hehe, so i'll be finding out
Wombat
"I like to go to the schoolyard where i can watch the little kids jumping and screaming....but they dont know im using blanks"
"Before you set yourself on fire, remember to take off your shoes... nothing smells worse than burning rubber."
"They advertise that certain laundry detergents can take blood stains out of clothes, i say that if you have blood stains on your clothes, maybe your laundry is the least of your worries."
Sometimes when I'm driving around I see a sign that says, CAUTION: SMALL CHILDREN PLAYING. I slow down, and then it occurs to me: I'm not afraid of small children.
"My programs dont have bugs, they have random features" - MisianThrop
"The good thing about our ticket to the future is that it's always blank" - Trigun
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Jan 7th, 2003, 08:25 AM
#12
I don't think VB is a good starter language. How did the quote go?
"A programmer who has started with BASIC can never get good." or something like that. Forgot by whom, but it was a quite prominent guy.
Whatever. Java is not good for games, except for simple internet games. I think it's better there than Flash. I hate Flash. The language (ActionScript) is a bad ripoff of old JavaScript and therefore sucks. The object model sucks too (why on earth are the x and y properties called _X and _Y ???). And the built-in code editor sucks the most.
Oh, and I've written a Tetris with Java Micro Edition. It's nearly complete. I only need to find a way to put it on my mobile without needing an internet connection.
Java is a lot easier than C++. No multiple inheritance (except interfaces), no templates, no operator overloading, a real builtin string type, no memory management due to garbage collection and an awful lot of built-in functionality.
It's not a great language, but it's ok.
All the buzzt
CornedBee
"Writing specifications is like writing a novel. Writing code is like writing poetry."
- Anonymous, published by Raymond Chen
Don't PM me with your problems, I scan most of the forums daily. If you do PM me, I will not answer your question.
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Jan 7th, 2003, 10:01 AM
#13
I started out out using VB, just because it fell down on my lap, for some years ago...but that is not going to stop me from becomming a good programmer. I will prove that you are wrong CornedBee...
...but it is nice to see that you share the same feelings that I have for Flash and Java...
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Jan 7th, 2003, 10:17 AM
#14
But you did work hard, didn't you?
All the buzzt
CornedBee
"Writing specifications is like writing a novel. Writing code is like writing poetry."
- Anonymous, published by Raymond Chen
Don't PM me with your problems, I scan most of the forums daily. If you do PM me, I will not answer your question.
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Jan 7th, 2003, 10:31 AM
#15
Originally posted by CornedBee
But you did work hard, didn't you?
Yes I did/do/will do in the future....I will be great...
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Jan 13th, 2003, 06:09 PM
#16
Member
hey
i dont know, i started out in TRUE BASIC, hows that for old skool. but went to VB then C++/Java, but i picked up C++ and Java faster cause i already knew how to program, but didnt know syntex, i say that any language is easy to master as long as u got the syntex...
Wombat
"I like to go to the schoolyard where i can watch the little kids jumping and screaming....but they dont know im using blanks"
"Before you set yourself on fire, remember to take off your shoes... nothing smells worse than burning rubber."
"They advertise that certain laundry detergents can take blood stains out of clothes, i say that if you have blood stains on your clothes, maybe your laundry is the least of your worries."
Sometimes when I'm driving around I see a sign that says, CAUTION: SMALL CHILDREN PLAYING. I slow down, and then it occurs to me: I'm not afraid of small children.
"My programs dont have bugs, they have random features" - MisianThrop
"The good thing about our ticket to the future is that it's always blank" - Trigun
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Jan 13th, 2003, 06:54 PM
#17
Frenzied Member
"It is practically impossible to teach good programming style to students that have had prior exposure to BASIC; as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration." - Dijkstra
Z.
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Jan 13th, 2003, 06:58 PM
#18
Zaei, stop posting that line...I don't belive it at all...but it might be ahrder...but not impossible in any way...
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Jan 13th, 2003, 09:52 PM
#19
Member
its all of a matter of opinion z....
Wombat
"I like to go to the schoolyard where i can watch the little kids jumping and screaming....but they dont know im using blanks"
"Before you set yourself on fire, remember to take off your shoes... nothing smells worse than burning rubber."
"They advertise that certain laundry detergents can take blood stains out of clothes, i say that if you have blood stains on your clothes, maybe your laundry is the least of your worries."
Sometimes when I'm driving around I see a sign that says, CAUTION: SMALL CHILDREN PLAYING. I slow down, and then it occurs to me: I'm not afraid of small children.
"My programs dont have bugs, they have random features" - MisianThrop
"The good thing about our ticket to the future is that it's always blank" - Trigun
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Jan 14th, 2003, 02:51 PM
#20
Addicted Member
Originally posted by Zaei
quote:
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"It is practically impossible to teach good programming style to students that have had prior exposure to BASIC; as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration." - Dijkstra
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Z.
Just one word - bullsh*t!
The ability to learn good programming style depends on the person. Such a generalized statement only shows ignorance, even if it is from Dijkstra.
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Jan 14th, 2003, 02:55 PM
#21
Thanks Machaira for having faith in those who just bumped into VB before knowing what programming was. I'm learning JAVA and ASM in school and I'm a A student soo I guess that Vb didn't drag me down....
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Jan 14th, 2003, 02:55 PM
#22
BTW who is "Dijkstra"????
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Jan 14th, 2003, 02:57 PM
#23
Forget the last question...I remeber that he made the "single-source shortest path" AGORITHM...
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Jan 14th, 2003, 04:22 PM
#24
Frenzied Member
Originally posted by NoteMe
BTW who is "Dijkstra"????
One of the better known computer scientists of our time... He died a year or so back...
Id just like to mention that I started in VB too
Id agree, Machaira... Some people cant even grasp basic, others can pick up languages in a few hours flat.
Z.
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Jan 14th, 2003, 04:23 PM
#25
Id just like to mention that I started in VB too
... ...
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Jan 14th, 2003, 05:26 PM
#26
I started in a BASIC-syntax language too (Lingo, the scripting language of Macromedia Director).
All the buzzt
CornedBee
"Writing specifications is like writing a novel. Writing code is like writing poetry."
- Anonymous, published by Raymond Chen
Don't PM me with your problems, I scan most of the forums daily. If you do PM me, I will not answer your question.
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Jan 14th, 2003, 05:34 PM
#27
This thread is making me feel like everyone is comming out of the closet....
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Jan 27th, 2003, 06:14 PM
#28
Member
lol Noteme...heheheh its not like VB is SO horrible..heheh, its like the toy gun a child gets before the shotgun...
Wombat
"I like to go to the schoolyard where i can watch the little kids jumping and screaming....but they dont know im using blanks"
"Before you set yourself on fire, remember to take off your shoes... nothing smells worse than burning rubber."
"They advertise that certain laundry detergents can take blood stains out of clothes, i say that if you have blood stains on your clothes, maybe your laundry is the least of your worries."
Sometimes when I'm driving around I see a sign that says, CAUTION: SMALL CHILDREN PLAYING. I slow down, and then it occurs to me: I'm not afraid of small children.
"My programs dont have bugs, they have random features" - MisianThrop
"The good thing about our ticket to the future is that it's always blank" - Trigun
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Jan 27th, 2003, 06:16 PM
#29
Yehh...maybe that is the right way to put it...
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Jan 27th, 2003, 06:30 PM
#30
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Jan 27th, 2003, 06:36 PM
#31
Yes but you don't want to go to war with a silenced pistol....
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Jan 27th, 2003, 07:52 PM
#32
Frenzied Member
Originally posted by NoteMe
Yes but you don't want to go to war with a silenced pistol....
Wars are avoided with diplomacy of the knife(or pistol, in this case =)
Z.
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Jan 28th, 2003, 06:51 AM
#33
I wouldn't go to war with a shotgun either.
All the buzzt
CornedBee
"Writing specifications is like writing a novel. Writing code is like writing poetry."
- Anonymous, published by Raymond Chen
Don't PM me with your problems, I scan most of the forums daily. If you do PM me, I will not answer your question.
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Jan 28th, 2003, 10:06 AM
#34
And I would never used M16 either...but I'm not an US soldier...
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Jan 31st, 2003, 12:06 PM
#35
Fanatic Member
I started with VB, and then I moved to C++. No problems, now I'm programming Direct 3D in C++.
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Jan 31st, 2003, 12:08 PM
#36
I thought you died trying to learn C++...it is long time sonce I have seen you here now...
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Jan 31st, 2003, 12:10 PM
#37
Fanatic Member
Yeah I know... and you've been here a lot!
I know C++ pretty well now
BTW: Did you mean did or died?
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Jan 31st, 2003, 12:14 PM
#38
I ment died..as in dead....or die....
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Jan 31st, 2003, 12:16 PM
#39
Fanatic Member
Nope, I didn't die 
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