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    Talking Circles

    circle A with radius a is centered at (-a,0)
    circle B with radius b is centered at (b-k,0), given 0<k<b<a

    express the difference of the non-overlapping regions of circle A and circle B in terms of a,b,and k
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    The difference is the sum of both areas minus twice the overlapping area.
    So we need to calculate the overlapping area. The centers of the circles are both on the x axis, so we can suffice to calculate only the upper half of the overlapping area. (The lower half is the upper half mirrored at the x axis).

    Since we're only dealing with the upper half, we can express the formulas of both circles in y = f(x).

    Circle a: y = sqrt(a - (x + a)2)
    Circle b: y = sqrt(b - (x - b + k)2)
    Now find the intersection point between a and b. This is point P.
    The half overlapping area can be split in two parts by drawing a line from P down to and perpendicular to the x axis. This point is Q = (P.x, 0)
    The left half of this area belongs to circle b and the right half to circle a. The area of such a half can be calculated by subtracting a right-angled triangle from a circle part.

    For circle A: the corners of the part are: MA, P and O; the corners of the triangle are: MA, P and Q. The area in question is cornered by P, Q and O.

    For circle b: the corners of the part are MB, P and (-k, 0); the corners of the triangle are MB, P and Q. The area in question is cornered by P, Q and (-k, 0).

    Add both areas, multiply by four and subtract the result from the sum of the areas of both circles.

    This should provide you with enough information. Good luck!

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    I'm made a drawing of the location of the mentioned points. See the attachment.
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    The difference is the sum of both areas minus twice the overlapping area.
    I don't think that is true. let me clarify: I want the difference in area of the non-overlapping region in circle A and circle B
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    Originally posted by riis
    The difference is the sum of both areas minus twice the overlapping area.
    I agree with bugzpodder. This would be exactly the sum of both non-overlapping areas. The requested difference is rather, as far as I understand the problem:

    Diff. = area of non-ovlp. region of first circle - area of non-ovlp. region of second circle = area of first circle - area of second circle

    Or, using this notation:

    A: area of first circle
    A': area of second circle
    Ao: area of overlapping region
    Ano: area of non-overlapping region of first circle
    A'no: area of non-overlapping region of second circle

    then,

    Diff = Ano - A'no = A - Ao - (A' - Ao) = A - A'

    What do you think?

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    Originally posted by bugzpodder
    I don't think that is true. let me clarify: I want the difference in area of the non-overlapping region in circle A and circle B
    Sorry, I've misinterpreted your question. All the hassle I've mentioned was for nothing, but it was a good exercise for me

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