What's the going rate for Web Design? UNRESOLVED !!

**VisionIT** · Jan 5th, 2003, 11:33 AM

Can anyone tell me what the current rate for web design is? In pounds preferably!

Thanx everyone

Regards,

Paul.

**Sastraxi** · Jan 5th, 2003, 12:28 PM

On what scale? A small, personal website can go for as little as 50$ canadian (I think 20 quid, but things seem to cost a bit more over there, so maybe 30?).

**JungleMan** · Jan 5th, 2003, 12:31 PM

I usually charge about $50US a page...ROUGH estimate. Often it is more or less.

**Sastraxi** · Jan 5th, 2003, 01:03 PM

Hey Justin, can we see some of your work?

**VisionIT** · Jan 5th, 2003, 03:38 PM

Come on people...

HTML web design, how much PER HOUR?

Regards,

Paul.

**TheBionicOrange** · Jan 5th, 2003, 06:10 PM

Well myself and my wife have done a couple of Flash based sites, one for a pub and one for a communications company in London.

Both paid up half the cost but when it came to finalizing they disappeared.

I learnt 2 lessons from this :

1. Wow .... easy money, and no-one to criticise our work

2. Thank god I don't do this for a living ... talk about a dodgy market.

If it helps, the pub one was £200 (it was a friend of mine), and the one in London was £1200.

Bear in mind the one in London already had a firm doing their web stuff, and they quoted £6000 for an overhaul, which was still completely text based.

If your interested, this is a link to the site that he never saw (the one in London)

Click Me

Geez ... he doesn't HAVE to pay up now .... you guys are gonna see it anyway

**siyan** · Jan 5th, 2003, 07:41 PM

if you're really good, then you'll get paid a lot more
quality shows and it does count

also using "extras" like Flash, PHP, ASP, et al will add to the cost usually.

good flash work costs boatloads..ditto with PHP (and similar)

**MartinLiss** · Jan 5th, 2003, 10:24 PM

Google Salary survey web design and you'll find a number of hits including this one from which I got the following. It's US.

Designer III - Web Low Median High
the United States $59,728 $65,199 $76,473

Designer III - Web
Produces graphic sketches, designs, and copy layouts for online content. Determines size and arrangement of illustrative material and copy, selects style and size of type, and arranges layout based upon available space, knowledge of layout principles, and aesthetic design concepts. May require an associate's degree or its equivalent and at least 4 years of experience in the field or in a related area. Familiar with a variety of the field's concepts, practices, and procedures. Relies on experience and judgment to plan and accomplish goals. Performs a variety of complicated tasks. Typically reports to a manager. A wide degree of creativity and latitude is expected.

**Beacon** · Jan 5th, 2003, 11:56 PM

We cahrge $1400 - $2800 in Aussie $$$ most companies here charge $4000 -$7000 we undercut our competitors as we are a newish company.

**Arc** · Jan 6th, 2003, 01:58 AM

It totaly depends on what the customer wants. Do they want Adminable Database Driven pages? Do they want Flash? If so how much? Do they require custom pictures and Graphics?

If they just want basic HTML/text pages i wouldnt charge much at all. Maybe $30 U.S. a page.

And BTW you only Hurt yourslef when you undercut your competiton... In fact you hurt the whole industry.

**alex_read** · Jan 6th, 2003, 04:57 AM

What do you guys do after the site's designed, have you got your own web servers or do you leave it to the customers to find a hosting solution for the site?

**Arc** · Jan 6th, 2003, 05:07 AM

Well it looks alot more professional if you can offer hosting for the customer. The customer will also have to purchase a domain name.

You can rent servers from other companies and sublease them to your customer for a profit. We use Rackspace and Via Networks. Depending on the customer and size of the site you can get around $50 a month from each customer for hosting.

**Gaffer** · Jan 6th, 2003, 11:51 AM

HTML only? You'll earn nothing in a company, and close to nothing self employed (£200 websites max per site). You'll need the extra bits, choose from: XML, JSP, Java, Flash etc etc dependign if it is a data based or pure design role. Even with these skills you won't get much more than £15 per hour, max £20 in the City (if you're lucky) as a contractor - put it like this, I wouldn't risk contracting with HTML as my main skill...

**Wally Pipp** · Jan 6th, 2003, 11:54 AM

Your main skill is *mumble mumble* aaaaaaaaaanyway, you're on a dream ticket

**Gaffer** · Jan 6th, 2003, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Wally Pipp
Your main skill is *mumble mumble* aaaaaaaaaanyway, you're on a dream ticket

Who me?

Yeah, *mumble isthatthetime?* can get a decent living...

**Wally Pipp** · Jan 6th, 2003, 12:41 PM

My main skill is <classified>

Hey ! How did that happen ?

**VisionIT** · Jan 6th, 2003, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Gaffer
HTML only? You'll earn nothing in a company, and close to nothing self employed (£200 websites max per site). You'll need the extra bits, choose from: XML, JSP, Java, Flash etc etc dependign if it is a data based or pure design role. Even with these skills you won't get much more than £15 per hour, max £20 in the City (if you're lucky) as a contractor - put it like this, I wouldn't risk contracting with HTML as my main skill...

£200 per website... no chance! £15 per hour... i wouldn't get up for that!

I am already in talk's with a hosting company, and have several servers in place & ready to go.

Gaffer, cheers for the comments M8, but I think i'll be charging slightly more than £15 per hour, thats for damn sure!

Thank you all for the comments, it's been... a learning curve ! LOL

Regards,

Paul.

**Beacon** · Jan 6th, 2003, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Arc

And BTW you only Hurt yourslef when you undercut your competiton... In fact you hurt the whole industry.

Totally disagree. For a new business entering a market so saturated as web design to attract the very small to small business's a smaller fee must be applied else the new business will have a very hard time of aquiring customers.
This is to, as they say "to get the ball rolling".

**VisionIT** · Jan 7th, 2003, 04:55 AM

Originally posted by Beacon
Totally disagree. For a new business entering a market so saturated as web design to attract the very small to small business's a smaller fee must be applied else the new business will have a very hard time of aquiring customers.
This is to, as they say "to get the ball rolling".

Agree with that M8! You need to be able to compete, so a small reduction in price is vital. Lower trade prices make the market better for customers, as more companies are trying to beat their rivals.

Regards,

Paul.

**The Hobo** · Jan 7th, 2003, 09:47 PM

I agree both ways. While you need something to pitch to get customers, and prices can be great, it can hurt the overall market. If everybody is trying to sell shorter than the next guy, pretty soon we're going to be making PHP database driven sites for $20 USD, you know?

**Beacon** · Jan 7th, 2003, 11:51 PM

No not at all. Small companies are not in direct competition with the larger companies therefore they dont see the impact of a new small company entering the market. Why? Simple large customers go to large companies more often than not small customers go to small companies because they're cheaper.

When a small company gets more customers it will increase charges until a point where they are in competition with the larger design companies, Why? Because they will have built up experience, skills and knowledge etc etc.

Therefore it would be hard pressed to ever see $20 php websites as a norm.

**venerable bede** · Jan 8th, 2003, 10:05 AM

My employers normally charge not per page but per day at £300 - £500 per day. But on saying that we do a lot of database work ASP, ASP.net blah blah.

I usually get about £2.34 per day because my employers are generous people.

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