Opera 7 Beta

[Michael_Kamen]

What do you think of the new Opera 7 beta, available at www.opera.com?

[zuperman]

Originally posted by Michael_Kamen
What do you think of the new Opera 7 beta, available at www.opera.com?

hummm...lets have a look at that ...

[zuperman]

[Rick Bull]

It's great. There are a few bugs that mke it crash, but it's a beta so that's OK. It has alternate stylesheet support, site navigation (via the link element), text-only browser mode, most of the DOM problems have been fixed. It's almost as good as mozilla.

[zuperman]

[JungleMan]

Another awesomely half-assed browser that can't compare to IE and I dare-say Mozilla.

[siyan]

Opera could be better, Mozilla could be worse, and IE is the best (even though it likes to crash...but that could be due to my buggy nVidia GF2GO drivers)

[Travis G]

Not as good as IE?

I think someone needs to make an objective list of attributes for a web browser. Once you realize that IE doesn't support any of the web standards, then you will see that IE is the worst browser. It is also bested in portability (runs on two, maybe three platforms), in features (no MDI, no mouse gestures), and in security (no fine control of JavaScript, poor security support for scripting).

I haven't messed with Opera 7, yet. Opera 6 was pretty awesome, but Mozilla was better.

[siyan]

in my experience, IE has the best support for both well and poorly written code, while Mozilla is bitchy about strict HTML4.0 and such.

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Travis G
Not as good as IE?

I think someone needs to make an objective list of attributes for a web browser. Once you realize that IE doesn't support any of the web standards, then you will see that IE is the worst browser. It is also bested in portability (runs on two, maybe three platforms), in features (no MDI, no mouse gestures), and in security (no fine control of JavaScript, poor security support for scripting).

I haven't messed with Opera 7, yet. Opera 6 was pretty awesome, but Mozilla was better.

IE doesn't support any of the web standards? What are you smoking?

IE supports just as many if not more web standards than Opera. And the bottom line is that Opera can't correctly render the page that I have open right now, so I don't care what the W3C says, what I say goes.

Moz supports more web standards than IE, which is why Moz is a pretty good browser. Opera is a lump of junk.

And do you think you're fooling anyone with your new SN? You're the same standards junkie you were before...

[Travis G]

I wasn't trying to fool anyone. I simply don't work for Ciber anymore. Funny how that works.

Simply put, IE does not support as many standards as Opera does. Opera is the only browser I know of that supports the @media convention. IE will not render the height of a div. IE doesn't support CSS events, or CSS 2.

Well, actually, Opera 6 didn't support CSS events either. But atleast it rendered the page correctly.

You have this narrow-minded approach that is akin to dumping all your trash on the lawn. You just shrug and figure that someone will pick it up tomorrow. The reason why that page you are looking at won't render correctly is because the author had the same mindset as you.

The standard is so simple, that the only reason not to follow it is spite, or laziness. The only reason to use a browser that can't correctly render a page written to a four-year old standard is because you are either spiteful, or lazy.

*shrug* Perhaps you are just stupid, I don't kow. And I don't care.

[dogfish227]

Netscape 7.0 is the best it runs (on my pc) at least twice as fast as IE.

the only problem is it doenst support vb script

[crptcblade]

I don't use webbrowsers. I'm really into this cup & ball...

[Rick Bull]

Yeah the cup and ball looks fun!

But Travis I though all of the main browsers supported the @media rule? Or do Mozilla and IE just import them regardless of what media the actually are?

[Michael_Kamen]

Well, I like Opera 7! it's a hell of a lot faster then IE 6, all I need is a different skin....

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by Travis G
Opera is the only browser I know of that supports the @media convention.

And exactly how many web pages use this @media if only one niche browser supports it? Guess what, I have invented the ABC312XYZ2000 standard, and no browsers support it except the MerlinPal 5.0 SuperTurboXtreme browser, I guess all the other browsers suck!

Bottom line is whether it's the right thing or not, most developers develop with IE primarily in mind. Thus, I will primarily use it because it renders most pages the way they are intended to be seen, whether the methods are correct or incorrect.

As for me, I'm not really a "Developer", but I do a little light web design work-- I keep Mozilla, Opera, and IE installed to test for at least basic functionality in all three.

And by the way on a slightly unrelated note, I hate MS FrontPage which is about 75% of the cause of all the problems in the web browser world.