browsers

[whack_amol]

Im fed up with constant errors popping up with Internet Explorer, is there a way to fix this or another free alternative

[JungleMan]

Reinstall, or update to the latest one.

Or get Mozilla. From a site designer's standpoint I don't like it nearly as much as IE but it's still good.

[Rick Bull]

Mozilla in my opinion is much, much better than IE, and it supports the standards properly. There is also Opera which is small and fast, but it doesn't support all the DHTML type things. Both are good. I use opera mainly, but mozilla almost as much, try them both

[Pc_Madness]

Of course theres Netscape......


Does AOL have its own browser?

[JungleMan]

Rick Bull: IE supports the standards too, and supports them a lot more than Opera does. Besides, like 95% of the population uses IE anyway. Opera usually screws up all my tables, and Mozilla's still got problems with some mouseovers (admittedly I haven't tried 1.1 yet but 1.0 was very very nice, but not flawless).

PC Madness: AOL is using the IE engine, but there is rumour of them switching to the Netscape (Gecko) engine.

[Rick Bull]

Well IE does support most standards, it's just that it has a habbit of doing things not quite right, which makes it hard to code correctly. The problem you're having with table - do your pages validate?

I think it's almost definate that AOL are switching to Mozilla seeing as they are paying for it's development They're supposed to be switching to red hat too from Win 2000.

[JoshT]

I like Mozilla, too. IE for Windows doesn't support the standards as well as people seem to think it does, and has certain things it plain out does wrong (HTML button tags, CSS scrollbar coloring). Mozilla works better than IE or Opera for me when coding. IE6 was a big improvement, but based on their Mac versions MS can still do better.

Also, when Mozilla crashes, it dies cleanly. When IE crashes, it locks up and I have to use task manager to kill it.

Also, one version of IE and multiple versions of Mozilla and Opera can co-exist nicely on your PC. Forget about Netscape - Mozilla is equivalent to it, just without the AOL ads and junk.

[chrisjk]

Mozilla looks like bloody NS Communicator 4

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by JoshT
I like Mozilla, too. IE for Windows doesn't support the standards as well as people seem to think it does, and has certain things it plain out does wrong (HTML button tags, CSS scrollbar coloring). Mozilla works better than IE or Opera for me when coding. IE6 was a big improvement, but based on their Mac versions MS can still do better.

Also, when Mozilla crashes, it dies cleanly. When IE crashes, it locks up and I have to use task manager to kill it.

Also, one version of IE and multiple versions of Mozilla and Opera can co-exist nicely on your PC. Forget about Netscape - Mozilla is equivalent to it, just without the AOL ads and junk.

What's wrong with CSS scrollbar coloring? It's an added feature. It doesn't screw up non-compliant browsers and it looks cool on browsers that support it. I've done a few cool CSS/JavaScript tricks with layers and Opera just plain wouldn't budge, and IE worked yeah, maybe some of my coding was proprietary, but hey it's not like everyone follows the book

IE supports standards, admittedly not as well as Mozilla, but Mozilla needs work (although as I've said, it's very good). And choosing between the two...well honestly more people use IE so I'll go with that...

Oh yeah, Netscape sucks

[JoshT]

What's wrong with CSS scrollbar coloring? It's an added feature. It doesn't screw up non-compliant browsers and it looks cool on browsers that support it.

Per the CSS specs, it's not marked as proprietary, it's invalid CSS. In order for IE to meet the spec, it's required to ignore the invalid tags. See the following:
http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/scrollbars.html

Note that the colored scrollbars don't even work for IE on Mac ( or so I've been told, I don't use a Mac anymore and if I did I wouldn't use IE anyway.)

[JungleMan]

W3C codebooks aside, who the heck cares? It's not hurting anyone.

Those standards boys are really eccentric, I swear...no offense, just speakin my peace..

[Sastraxi]

Good god! Stop them! What's next? They've gone too far letting us have coloured scrollbars! Who's with me?!

[Rick Bull]

Originally posted by chrisjk
Mozilla looks like bloody NS Communicator 4

You know you can change the way it looks from the View menu (I think).

[Sastraxi]

Mozilla IS based around Netscape's Gecko engine. I think it's a load of bullocks.

[chrisjk]

Originally posted by Rick Bull


You know you can change the way it looks from the View menu (I think).

There's a choice between old Netscape and new Netscape looks

It may be based around the same engine but that doesn't mean it has to be almost identical does it?! Everything is the same, menu structure, modal form design. *** is up with that?!

[chrisjk]

I found something different!

Mozilla has a very useful Scripting properties thing, Netscape 6.2 doesn't



Hopefully that stops popups

[Gimlin]

Mozilla has alot of cool features, its the second best browser IMO

[Tygur]

Well, my browser of choice is Mozilla. Look at that image chrisjk posted. That top checkbox, "Open unrequested windows" is a very useful feature. It prevents popups from showing except in cases where you actually want them. (edit: I just noticed that that's exactly what chrisjk was trying to point out in his post)

Once I found out that there's an addon for Mozilla to make it support mouse gestures, I switched over from Opera to Mozilla.

[parksie]

"Mouse gestures"?

[chrisjk]

Sweet, where did you get the mouse gesture plugin for Mozilla?

Does anybody know how to get rid of the Build ID...I don't care what it is it's annoying

[chrisjk]

Found one! http://optimoz.mozdev.org/gestures/installation.html#

[Tygur]

It's not as forgiving with the gestures as Opera is, though. You'll see what I mean.

[chrisjk]

If like me you don't like the {Build ID: 0000000000} thing in the title bar, do this:

Those with Windows:

Close Mozilla and copy/paste en-US.jar to make a backup

You'll most likely have Winzip. Use that to open the en-US.jar file

Extract all the files to their relatives paths (use the Extract button in Winzip, don't drag & drop into a folder!)

Find the navigator-title.dtd file in \locale\en-US\navigator and edit it with notepad.

Remove both occurences of "{&buildId.label;}" and click File -> Save

Go back to the folder above locale (wherever you unpackaged en-US.jar). Right-click the locale folder and select Add To Zip

Make new zip archive from locale folder and it's subfolders

Winzip will probably make a file called locale.zip, rename it to en-US.jar in Explorer (having deleted original en-US.jar first)

Open Mozilla...Build ID no longer appears in title bar

You can see that here (in the User Comments section)

[parksie]

A good demonstration of one of the nice things about Mozilla....you can customise it to death (more flexibly than the IE "branding").

[chrisjk]

IE's title bar branding is in the registry I think...that's easier than all that gubbins

[parksie]

Easier, yes, but it's all you can do...

[chrisjk]

True that, and you have to get IEAK and agree to a licence thing to be allowed to mess with IE

[Pc_Madness]

Netscape 7!!! Beta Version though

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/7/default.jsp

[JungleMan]

You couldn't pay me to use Netscape.

What ARE mouse gestures exactly? All I know is I'm keepin me IE, because it works and I have Popup Stopper Pro so the window killer is not a worry for me.

[chrisjk]

You move the mouse around in certain patterns and it performs actions, like opening another window, refreshing page and the like



You wouldn't need popup stopper if you used Mozilla