VC++, C++ Builder, Borland C++, etc ????

[vearn2]

hi..
just wanna know..
what is the diferent between C++ builder,VC++,borland C++
and the other C++..
can anybody tell me?
and what is their criteria..advantage,...etc

thanx..
*i'm still green..

Microsoft Visual C++
Great enviroment.
Bad for console applications.
Best for windows applications.
Cost alot of money.

Borland C++ Builder
Command line complier (no enviroment).
Good for console applications.
I dont think you can make windows applications with it.
Its free.

DJGPP
A DOS enviroment.
Great for DOS programming.
Doesnt do windows.
Its free.

Bloodshed C++
2nd best enviroment.
Good for windows.
Just as good as VC for DOS
Its Free


Thats all i could think of.

[vearn2]

any others?

what's the differentiate between borland C++ and C++ builder?
or it's the same thing!

thanx

Borland C++ 5.5 is free, its command line, and not as extensive.

Borland C++ Builder is expensive, its got an IDE (i think), and is way better.

I just started getting into the command line compilers.

[parksie]

Borland C++ 5.5 - has an IDE, compiles most things, not very visual.

C++ Builder - like VB, only for C++. (honestly)

Borland C++ 5.5 has an IDE, where can i get it?!?!?!?!?!?!

[parksie]

I think Borland supply it. I don't think it's free, though.

[kb244]

um...
original posted by ChimpFace

Borland C++ Builder
Command line complier (no enviroment).
Good for console applications.
I dont think you can make windows applications with it.
Its free.



um I think you are confusing an old non visual Borland C++.

C++ Builder is aimed to be, and I quote "Power of VC++, with the ease of VB"

C++ Builder is in fact more visual than VC++, and isnt great for console appz, although it has a command line compiler that comes with it.

C++ Builder has a better IDE, if you like the IDE of visual basic.

I use VC++ more though, since it's what I work with here at work.

oh and it's definitly not free.

Sorry, i meant Borland C++ 5.5, not builder. Thanks for pointing that out.

[vearn2]

thanx all of you..

ok..i want to create an internet program!
what language must i use...or which one.. borland C++ or
C++ builder is more suitable?

[parksie]

If you mean a CGI program or ISAPI DLL, then borland C++ is more suitable. For an ActiveX control, C++ builder is probably better.

Borland products are cool, I just finished downloading delphi trial, (75mb, glad its 60 days and not just 30)
and it looks Very Similar to VB4....
I think I am really going to like BCB...
does anybody have any screenshots of BCB so I can see it before downloading it(probably at least 75mb again )

[vearn2]

hi..

parksie:
i dont know which one..but i want to create application
like to detect ip address..like ...yahoo messenger..etc
what do you think...?

thanx

thats hardly worth it, but from what I have seen Borland has awesome internet tools. I would go for the builder, not just plain BCPP

[kb244]

Deenis, dependning on which version of delphi you had (I have Delphi 3 pro, and BCB pro 1 and 4)

BCB looks EXACTLY like Delphi, in fact BCB will allow you to import Delphi projects, and can compile Pascal sniplets, and addins written for Delphi.

[kb244]

Hmm or was it Delphi, Forms then addins/sniplets.

[hitcgar]

Listen guys (&gals?), Borland (now Inprise) makes the best
developper products out there. I've worked with 'em all
here at DMR Consulting Group.

If you want the coolest tool with the least hassles and VB
simplicity you gotta go for Delphi - as far as compilers
goes it uses a one pass compiler second to none.

As a comparison - write a program (anything at all) in both
Delphi and C++ Builder (and VC++ if you wish - MFC doesn't
even come close) then compile each one measuring compile
times etc.

Delphi will always come in winner no contest!

I have compiled apps that do exactly the same thing the
same way in both languages and an example compile time
difference for 1000+ lines of code is something like :

Delphi: 1 second or less
BC++ Builder, VC++ : somewhere near 30 secs.
(depending on your machine of course)

You see C++ compilers are nearly always 2 pass and they
have to perform 'name mangling' to ensure that overriding,
inheritance etc works right.

Delphi is Pascal based on doesn't allow operator overriding
or multiple inheritance (at least not the versions I used).

C++ Builder has an IDE just as visual and just as easy. Borland has always been best in my book and most of the
senior developpers in this company would agree.

However you should understand that code size for any project written in C++ will always be a lot bigger than if
you wrote everything in Delphi. Just look at the sample
programs shipped with both products - they're are nearly all
the same - but project size, code size, code readability is
always smaller and easier in Delphi. And Delphi produces
faster execs than VB.

It's interface is as simple and visual as VB. No kiddin'!

Go for Delphi! But if you have to use C++ then Borland
(Inprise) C++ Builder is the better package in my opinion.

The reason why VC++ beats Borland on the market is because
of Gates and Cie. monopolizing, put-the-competition-out-of-business style marketing techniques. MS has tried to run Inprise into the ground. Most of this companies clients
(except the military) don't want to go with Borland simply
because of market and peer considerations.

Anyway, 'nuff said. Hope this helps clear things up.

[kb244]

I agree with you on all the things you said except for the "whys" of why VC++ seems to be in head of the market, other than said purposes, the debugger is much better in VC++, and is alot better for non visual programming(hehehe despite they call it Visual C++) like for activeX Dlls, exe, ocx, etc (I havent written any standalone applications, only middleware controls, and dlls) but VC++ comes with a larger package, of Visual Studio that is used by many companies, due to it's ability to easily intergrate with one another, also if a company has a MSDN Subscription, they can install as many copies of any microsoft products on any number of corporate computers.

my thought for reasons of why it's much more popular

1) Easier to get ahold of especially if you subscribe to MSDN
2) Since it's already bundled in the Studio package, people tend to use it
3) It intergrates very well with other microsoft products like VB, VJ++, FoxPro, etc
3) Their marketing technique is to make it so that you can grab almost any of the development tools for the price of just 2 of them in seperate boxes
4) Despite Borland C++ Builder and Delphi Being better on many grounds companies tend to trust microsoft's name, and arnt always willing to take risks.
5) as I mentioned before, it has a much nicer debugger in my opinion.