P4 B?

**chrisjk** · Jun 27th, 2002, 07:55 PM

so now I know how many pins my P4 has got, how can I tell if it's the 'B' variant?

It's got 478B stamped onto the socket...478 is clearly the pins, is the B relating to the P4 B bit or is that coincidence?

I got this machine in Sept 01 if that helps...

cheers

**chrisjk** · Jun 27th, 2002, 08:11 PM

more info:

Everything printed on chip itself...

Intel Pentium 4

1.7 GHz / 256 / 400 / 1.75v

SL59X COSTA RICA

3119A727-0452

Intel © 01

4139A218

**chrisjk** · Jun 27th, 2002, 08:16 PM

Front-side bus: 400MHz (100MHz quad-pumped)

well that answers that one, thanks myself

**kalicki** · Jun 27th, 2002, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
well that answers that one, thanks myself

Didn't see the post till just now...

The B version runs on a 133/533 FSB, whereas yours runs at 100/400....

The B version just came out...

I'm still not entirely convinced that you have an A version even... :/

Any chance we could get a picture of your mobo and/or proc?

**chrisjk** · Jun 27th, 2002, 09:19 PM

You mean you still don't think it's 478?

a) it looks like the 478 in those pictures justin posted

e.g. like this

Not like this:

b) I counted the pins, there were 478: (26x26) - (14x14) - 2 = 478
c) it says 478 on the socket

Pretty conclusive i'd say

**kalicki** · Jun 27th, 2002, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
You mean you still don't think it's 478?

a) it looks like the 478 in those pictures justin posted

e.g. like this

Not like this:

b) I counted the pins, there were 478: (26x26) - (14x14) - 2 = 478
c) it says 478 on the socket

Pretty conclusive i'd say

I don't know... I'm still not sure....

OK... BTW, what's your price range on the mobo and also a case we're looking for?

**chrisjk** · Jun 27th, 2002, 09:40 PM

dude, I counted the pins!!!

I'm looking for an ATX midi/mini tower (anything other than full tower basically) which is black and has kinda funky silver/grey bits, so it looks as similar to this Dell case as possible, if that's not asking too much

. Don't mind if it comes with PSU as long as it's 300W+

Oh and the mobo, I don't care...as long as it's based on the i845D with a 478 (

) socket

Price ranges, well I guess the cheapest that fits the requirements is good enough

Cheers dude

**kalicki** · Jun 27th, 2002, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
dude, I counted the pins!!!

I'm looking for an ATX midi/mini tower (anything other than full tower basically) which is black and has kinda funky silver/grey bits, so it looks as similar to this Dell case as possible, if that's not asking too much . Don't mind if it comes with PSU as long as it's 300W+

Oh and the mobo, I don't care...as long as it's based on the i845D with a 478 () socket

Price ranges, well I guess the cheapest that fits the requirements is good enough

Cheers dude

The

indicated a joke....

Currently I'm thinking this case....

Still trying to find a supplier for it though....

845D is outdated, 845E is what you're going to get....

You can get it with alot of features, or not... You want USB2.0, firewire, etc.?

**JungleMan** · Jun 27th, 2002, 10:15 PM

Chris, does the case have to be black?

I found a really nice looking black one with a 340w power supply, but it was about £75 plus VAT, probably not what you want to spend

Kal is right, get the 845E, it is a performance chipset with the USB 2.0 also.

Kal, did you find him a motherboard? See if Gigabyte has anything good, they tend to have some great stuff if you're looking for additional features. If he just wants a board with no additional features he should go with an Abit...pure speed, no onboard stuff (Except RAID in some cases)

**chrisjk** · Jun 28th, 2002, 08:44 AM

so...this 845E, is it compatible with PC2700 and my P4? Cause if it is, that sounds sweet

Urm, USB2, dunno, always a good idea to I guess...I don't need any onboard balls like video, lan, audio if that helps to keep the cost down

That's pretty decent looking Kal, where'd you find that

Justin, yeah it needs to be black (to match monitor, keyboard)...which one is this you found then? £75 is okay just about; don't want to go any higher though

Cheers lads

**JungleMan** · Jun 28th, 2002, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by chrisjk
so...this 845E, is it compatible with PC2700 and my P4? Cause if it is, that sounds sweet

Urm, USB2, dunno, always a good idea to I guess...I don't need any onboard balls like video, lan, audio if that helps to keep the cost down

That's pretty decent looking Kal, where'd you find that

Justin, yeah it needs to be black (to match monitor, keyboard)...which one is this you found then? £75 is okay just about; don't want to go any higher though

Cheers lads

845E includes USB 2.0...845G and 845GL also include it but they have integrated graphics...either 845G or GL, I forget which one, doesn't have an AGP slot so clearly you'll want to avoid that one..

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal..._Cases_35.html

Second one down...you might want to call them up and see if that power supply is Pentium 4 compatible (P4s require compatible PSUs for 12 volt leads..)

**chrisjk** · Jun 28th, 2002, 09:51 AM

I'll go with the 845E then

That's pretty decent. It says "heavy duty 340W Antec PSU - approved by AMD and Intel" and "Intel P4 & AMD K7 MP Dual CPU approved" so i'm guessing it's alright

But, where are the drive bays?!

**JungleMan** · Jun 28th, 2002, 01:48 PM

Behind the door

see if the Chieftec site has a more in-depth view.

**kalicki** · Jun 28th, 2002, 03:15 PM

Justin and I basically have the same case, different brand name, but same thing, looks a little different, but still... Great case...

I'm assuming the 75 pounds is for the mobo (also?) ?

**kalicki** · Jun 28th, 2002, 03:38 PM

The Chaintech 9BJD is looking good...

Need to find out more about if first though...

Don't know if it's the E revision or not, but it will support your chip...

**JungleMan** · Jun 28th, 2002, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by kalicki
Justin and I basically have the same case, different brand name, but same thing, looks a little different, but still... Great case...

I'm assuming the 75 pounds is for the mobo (also?) ?

Mine is the SX840, looks totally different, although the interior is generally the same, very very very easy to work in, 1000x better than the Dell cases

Mine is white with no door, a couple less drive bays, the 400w SmartPower with the adjustable 5 volt potentiometer, and an extra intake

You have the SX1030 right? Which is basically the same idea..

Anyways, back on topic, check out Abit for a motherboard...MSI is OK too, I guess :\ Gigabyte is good but too many onboard features for your liking.

**kalicki** · Jun 28th, 2002, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by JungleMan

Mine is the SX840, looks totally different, although the interior is generally the same, very very very easy to work in, 1000x better than the Dell cases

Mine is white with no door, a couple less drive bays, the 400w SmartPower with the adjustable 5 volt potentiometer, and an extra intake

You have the SX1030 right? Which is basically the same idea..

Anyways, back on topic, check out Abit for a motherboard...MSI is OK too, I guess :\ Gigabyte is good but too many onboard features for your liking.

SX1080....

**JungleMan** · Jun 28th, 2002, 04:42 PM

I hate you.

**chrisjk** · Jun 28th, 2002, 07:48 PM

right, okay so what's the general concensus now then? I'm a bit lost with this sub-conversation going on

**chrisjk** · Jun 28th, 2002, 07:58 PM

How's about the Abit BD7-II then?

Based around the latest Intel i845E chipset the BD7-II supports the latest Intel Pentium 4 'B' processors with 133MHz FSB speeds. In addition to supporting the latest Intel processors the BD7-II boasts onboard USB2.0 support and built in Realtek 10/100Mbps LAN.

Featuring :
» 5 x PCI slots
» 1 x AGP(4x) slot
» 3 x 184pin DDR-SDRAM slots (2GB max)
» onboard AC97 sound
» 4 x UDMA100 devices

£79...

**chrisjk** · Jun 28th, 2002, 08:18 PM

waaaaaaaaaaaaaait a minute!

what's this?! An ATX with 4 PCI?? http://www.abit.com.tw/abitweb/webjs...MODEL_NAME=IT7

Any way of getting the dimensions of this one? If it fits in this case that'll be shweeeet!

**chrisjk** · Jun 28th, 2002, 08:23 PM

arse!

Although the lack of serial, PS2, and parallel ports is bound to change the landscape of this motherboard,

**JungleMan** · Jun 28th, 2002, 08:25 PM

The board is the same ATX size 305mm, the only reason why it only has 4 PCI is because it has so many onboard components there wasn't enough physical space to fit a 5th and 6th PCI.

The AMD version of that board (AT7) is even worse, only 3 PCI

**JungleMan** · Jun 28th, 2002, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
How's about the Abit BD7-II then?

£79...

Chris, I like that board...if I was buying Intel I'd probably go with that one myself. Of course I wouldn't build Intel, but...

BTW, as if you really need any more cost, you will probably need a new heatsink too, since as opposed to using a NORMAL heatsink, Dell chooses to use a passive heatsink with a 92mm fan (or is it 80mm?) mounted to the back of the case cooling the heatsink with a duct. Don't worry about what brand, etc, just get the cheapest thing you can find, Intel chips don't require that much cooling.

**kalicki** · Jun 28th, 2002, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
How's about the Abit BD7-II then?

£79...

Annnnnd...........

No!

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzIx

Bad reviews...

http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboa...318/index.html

Check this site for reviews of the boards...

I figure you will be able to find prices easier than Justin and I...

**chrisjk** · Jun 28th, 2002, 08:58 PM

hmm, difference of opinion

I must say I liked the look of it and I have just finished reading a favourable review of it...

**chrisjk** · Jun 28th, 2002, 09:09 PM

Kal, the first review you posted refers to the raid version, the second seems to refer to the BD7 as opposed to the DB7 II (if there is a difference...)

**kalicki** · Jun 28th, 2002, 09:15 PM

The first review IS about the BD7 II RAID, which is the same thing basically as the normal one, wouldn't change the quality of the board...

The second one is about teh old one, I just gave you that because it had reviews of 19 different mobos...

**JungleMan** · Jun 29th, 2002, 10:13 AM

Kal didn't see those reviews, most Abit boards are awesome...

Check out the MSI 845E Max...seems like a decent board. I just checked the Epox site and whatever 845E board they have I haven't been able to find much on it-- I know their 4SDA+ is popular but that's an SiS and Kal said those weren't good...

**chrisjk** · Jun 29th, 2002, 11:49 AM

The general opinion seems to be that the i845E is better than the SiS thing

Regarding that Abit, there's only a couple of faults with it as far as I can tell which don't really concern me anyway...It looks good so unless something better comes along for the same or less money, i'll go with that

Thanks for the MSI tip, i'll check some reviews on that

**chrisjk** · Jun 29th, 2002, 11:52 AM

With the MSI 648E Max we can run our P4 1.6a at 2.4 GHz, and with our memory set at 400mhz we easily eclipse Rambus PC800 memory. In fact, we are in the Rambus PC1066 ballpark

Jesus!

**JungleMan** · Jun 29th, 2002, 12:42 PM

Yeah, the newer Pentium 4 Northwood chips are very good overclockers...but if i were you I would wait until AMD's Clawhammer before doing any upgrading from the P4 1.7...

**kalicki** · Jun 29th, 2002, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
Jesus!

Wrong mobo...

**JungleMan** · Jun 29th, 2002, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by kalicki

Wrong mobo...

Still applies though-- P4 Northwood 1.6 chips are incredible OCers.

Another notable overclocker is the AGOGA XP 1600+. I spotted one guy running one at 1.9Ghz on air. Yeah, it was a Delta Screamer-- but he was getting 39C idle, which is pretty decent...

**chrisjk** · Jun 29th, 2002, 07:33 PM

that was a 1.6 A though, like mine

except mine is 1.7 of course

**JungleMan** · Jun 29th, 2002, 08:42 PM

No, the 1.6A is on the Northwood core and has 512K cache, yours is the older one...doesn't OC as well

you might be able to get 2Ghz out of it with good cooling though...

**kalicki** · Jun 29th, 2002, 09:57 PM

...Which is why I'm confused... I thought the Northwoods were the only 478 pin P4s?

**JungleMan** · Jun 29th, 2002, 10:44 PM

No...Williamette was also S478.

**chrisjk** · Jun 30th, 2002, 08:51 AM

now I'm confused

I thought this was an A and B was the Northwood...

**JungleMan** · Jun 30th, 2002, 10:18 AM

No..

P4 without any letter is Williamette (what you have), 256K of cache and 0.18u process, and 400Mhz bus

P4A is Northwood, 512K of cache and 0.13u process, and 400Mhz bus

P4B is Northwood, 512K of cache and 0.13u process, and 533Mhz bus

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