wow, i decided to learn the windows API instead of using MFC, i picked it up pretty quick...and i like it better than MFC. the widnow creation is abit of a pain in the ass..but i got winsock working

now for my question..
i have:
wcxMain.hbrBackground = (HBRUSH) LTGRAY_BRUSH;

i can't figure out the "normal" gray background color, either i get too light or too dark. ive tried out all the constants listed..any idea?