Which is Hot ... F22 Raptor or MIG MFI 1.42 ?

[thinktank]

You know..I would love to buy one of them

MIG Multirole Fighter 1.42


More Photos:
http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig142photos.htm

Spec here..
1. http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig142tech.htm
2. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mfi.htm


F22 Raptor


Spec and Photos
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-22.htm

[filburt1]

The MIG looks cheap compared to the multibillion dollar Raptor.

[thinktank]

Do you think of buying an Egg for a million ?

[filburt1]

I'll scrounge up a quarter for one of them.

[chrisjk]

Eurofighter is easily the best, even if it ain't even in production yet

[chrismitchell]

The Harrier is one of the best.. But it depends on the situation...

[thinktank]

Originally posted by chrisjk
Eurofighter is easily the best, even if it ain't even in production yet

F22 Raptor Versus Eurofighter Typhoon

Who wins?
The F22 Raptor is an impressive beast. 'Beast' is the appropriate term to describe this huge, fast and extremely agile 21st Century fighter. It pushes fighter technology to the limit of what we know. It is hard not to be very impressed. In comparison the Typhoon leaves you wondering why the Europeans ever bothered. The Typhoon does some clever things like PIRATE, and supercruise but in the end it is just not as capable as the superlative 'Raptor'. But isn't that the point? The Typhoon was never built to beat the F22, just to beat everything else. Looking at the Typhoon from this perspective, it gives nothing away to its hunting brother. It is stealthy, it can supercruise, it has the sensor fusion advances of a 21st Century cockpit and it is agile. Not as good as the F22, perhaps, but good enough. When the question of cost is brought into the equation the balance swings further in Typhoon's favour.
America's taxpayers may have the better fighter. Europe's taxpayers have got the better deal.

[chrisjk]

not baised at all

[N€o]

IMHO, none of them! Last week I saw a documentary wich featured the (Y)F22 (prototype model designation) and
the competing plane. (I don't remind the name, though) but from
the Norththrop company.

They showed both airplanes in flight. And men!! The
other airplane simply overclassed the F-22.
It flew (without afterburners) with a speed of Mach 1.5
They were competing with each other for cashing in the
goverenment order to produce the next-gen fighter plane.

Result:
The F-22 => next - gen fighter
The other plane (both prototypes) were destroyed..

[thinktank]

This from the bbc
http://news6.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/engli...1000/41728.stm

The Eurofighter will be the world's most advanced fighter, at least until the US-built F-22 gets airborne

The Eurofighter project finally takes off after 14 years of development at a cost of £40 billion.When deliveries start in 2002, it will be the world's most advanced fighter aircraft.

Only the American F-22, which enters service several years later at more than twice the price, will be superior.

[thinktank]

Originally posted by N€o
IMHO, none of them! Last week I saw a documentary wich featured the (Y)F22 (prototype model designation) and
the competing plane. (I don't remind the name, though) but from
the Norththrop company.

They showed both airplanes in flight. And men!! The
other airplane simply overclassed the F-22.
It flew (without afterburners) with a speed of Mach 1.5
They were competing with each other for cashing in the
goverenment order to produce the next-gen fighter plane.

Result:
The F-22 => next - gen fighter
The other plane (both prototypes) were destroyed..

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-23.htm

According to the Air Force, factors in the selection for production of the F-22 were a better designed for maintainability, greater potential for future development, and slightly lower cost.

F23 Blackwidow is not going to be in production at least for the next 10 years.

[chrisjk]

I think this line sums it up beatifully

Only the American F-22, which enters service several years later at more than twice the price, will be superior

[thinktank]

Only the American F-22, which enters service several years later at more than twice the price, will be superior

America's taxpayers may have the better fighter. Europe's taxpayers have got the better deal.

hehehe

[chrisjk]

so, a size war eh?

ok

Only the American F-22, which enters service SEVERAL YEARS LATER at MORE THAN TWICE THE PRICE, will be superior

[thinktank]

And by the time we have these aircrafts in service...the russians will steal the show....you know they care about public money.

Watch out west, the Russians are coming.

[HarryW]

I saw the Typhoon doing some aerobatics at Farnborough last year, it was way cool I'm pretty sure the F22 will be flashier and head-to-head better and all that, but it doesn't stop the Typhoon from looking damn good anyway.

I guess the question is whether you'd rather have 1 Raptor or 2 Typhoons.

[thinktank]

The point is..

If the enemy can bring down one typhoon..it won't take him much effort to bring down two of them. F22 on the other hand has a highly sophisticated (sprinkle bombastic description) Avionics that can evade the aircrafts detection by enemies at the same time can detect enemies even from long distances.The F-22 provides "first-look, first-shot, first-kill" capability.
Imagine just pushing a button and see enemy aircrafts go up in a fireball from a safe distance. The enemy can never even hear a buzz of the missile approaching.


Americans and defense budgets
"This aircraft is too complex to maintain and operate. It’s too expensive to buy – four times the price of our existing fighters.”

That quote is not from 2001; it is from 1970. The United States Congress moves to kill the F-15 program, claiming that the aircraft is too expensive.Despite controversy, the F-15 finally entered service as an air superiority fighter in 1974, and went on to serve extraordinarily well in the 1991 Persian Gulf War and the Kosovo conflict.

[HarryW]

Hey I'm not taking anything away from the Raptor, it's a great aircraft. So's the F15, and hopefully the F22 will be just as successful.

I think you make a big assumption with your first statement though. The Typhoon has some stealth-style technology on it that help it avoid detection. Admittedly not as sophisticated and expensive as the F22 but there are diminishing returns factors in here.

As soon as you launch a missile, you are pretty much detected.

Anyway, you wouldn't see your enemy go up in flames because the first shot is from BVR

[Fencer5]

I guess I'll break my reply into three parts:

1)F-22
I remember about 2 years ago (I live in Atlanta), I had the opportunity to go the Lockheed-Martin plant at Dobbins AFB. I got to stand about 5 feet away from the YF-22A (which no longer has the Y -- this is because it actually is in production - there just haven't been any government orders yet) and the C-130J. The F-22 (even though the guy with the pistol standing between me and the plane sort of obscured my view) was the most impressive fighter plane I had ever seen up close (pics or for real).

2)Eurofighter
And if we want to extrapolate our discussion over the pond, we can look at the Panavia Tornado IDS, which although not termed the Eurofighter as such, was developed by the exact same list of countries as the Eurofighter Typhoon is today. And although it did its job in Iraq, it is not anything close to the planes we developed at the same time (F-16 for example). I think the Typhoon will be an impressive plane, but hey, Americans are willing to spend the extra bucks to do the plane thing right...

3)Mig MFI
It's not like Russia has the money to buy them anyway.

[nishantp]

You have to look at everything in perspective. The US has more money than any other country in the world, and they have the ability to develop the mos advanced fighter in the world. So they did it (are doing it...). The fact is...the US can afford to build as many F-22's as say Britain could Typhoons. This strategy may infact serve them better, since they do not have to maintain as many pilots as they would if they built say twice as many Typhoons.

I may not be totally accurate on some of those things...but that was my first thought.

Not to mention that the F-22 looks damn cool