I'm sick and tired of endtasking explorer

[kedaman]

Is there anyone out there that have the same problems: Start internet explorer, surf some pages in vb-world, then after a 5-10 minutes everything goes scrachy and even black n' white, im looking at the resource meter and it's empty.
Damn i hate it. Closing all internet explorer windowes is the only way to get back some of the resources. Each time I do this it gets more difficult, i end up end tasking explorer or even logging of my self. I'm really angry and lost some pages, i hit reset or kick my computer.

[Sam Finch]

There's something very wrong there. Ask Microsoft if it's a known bug, win 2000 says 64MB is the minimum recomended memory, you might want to get some more.

[Fox]

It happens to me if I open really much explorer windows (ie. while downloading pictures).

Also when I run 3DSMAX I only have ~10% resources left on this computer (PIII-500, 128 RAM, Win98), but on the other computer it's ~25% (P-166, 32 RAM, Win98)!?

Does anyone know which memory this 'resources' need and where I can give them more?

[kedaman]

Nothing eats as much resources as internet explorer, and only endasking the whole shell (explorer.exe) will restore everything. Damn microsoft, is this going for ie5 too? I need to know if i have to upgrade my ie4. Also Icq2k drains more, aol drains a bit, and getsmart. User tend to restore much better than GDI and system, why that? Also i use iewindowes first 2, then about 5-6 then something oscillating between 2-4. I start with 85-90%. After the first step its about 60% (loading all icq and ****) then it goes slowly down to 10 while i open new and close other iewindows, after that it scatches up a bit and then goes black, i close all restores about 30% im opening again, after 3 minutes i have to end explorer or kill the computer. I hate that som much!!!!!

PS, right now i have 5% and its abit hard to see what i write, i have a Athlon 600/64M but i think that has nothing to do with it

[Cbomb]

With the 128 MB on your computer I think 3DS just lets it all hang out and eats up all your memory because it thinks it can. (How rude!) Then when its on a 'tight budget' with 32 it grits its teeth and takes it up the dev/null I have the same problem...

-----Oh-----

My 100th POST!!! YEA!

[Edited by Cbomb on 04-30-2000 at 02:24 PM]

[Bob Baddeley]

Seriously, that almost never happens to me (PII-450, 128Mb, Win98). I've had Illustrator, Word, Excel, Powerpoint, about 15-20 internet explorers, all in the taskbar, and about 12 things in the tray, including ICQ, Seti@Home, and GetRight. It finally crashed when I used a filter in Illustrator, but until then it worked fine. Maybe it's because we had our computer custom built by a local company instead of ComCrap or GetAway.

bob

[Zaphod64831]

I agree with Bob, custom computers always seem to function MUCH better than the brand-name built-in-a-factory type. I have two uncles who build computers and they have never had a computer crash on them in the entire time they've been building them. The only times they ever do crash is when the user puts undue strain on the computer, by trying to run fifty programs at once or something to that effect.

[Cbomb]

But mine is custom built...Well generic at least...maybe I installed my memory wrong.. Oh well...computer is as computer does

Try switching to Netscape. It might work better than Explorer. Netscape 6.0 was released about a couple weeks ago.

[privoli]

host: ftp.freebsd.org
port: 21
user: anonymous
pass: [email protected]

Download all binaries and make 2 bootdisks. Install FreeBSD. You won't ever have a problem with explorer ever agian, I can assure you that.

Or

Install Windows NT

[privoli]

http://www.uptimes.net/bottom.html?show=stop10

check that out, freebsd, uptime of 4 years

[Glenn]

Are you using Win95 or Win98? I use NT at work and never have problems. However at home with WIN98 I do get occasional resource type problems.

WINxx does not handle resources very well at all. Get NT if you can. I don't use it at home because the games that my children run generally have problems on NT.

[Stevie-O]

To the person who asked why User resources seem to come back faster than GDI or system resources:

I don't know what the hell system resources are. There's no documentation explaining what they are or what they're used for, just that "windows 95 handles them more efficiently than windows 3.1 did".

GDI resources are for drawing ****. Imagine you're a painter: You need an assortment of tools. To get them, you go into a big storeroom and borrow whatever you need: easels (device contexts), canvases to paint on (bitmaps), a palette to paint with (palettes), and usually a pen (pen) or brush (brush). If you're painting by numbers, you need lines to define the areas that get painted (paths and regions). Since you borrowed them from GDI, you need to be sure to return them when you're done.

User resources are used for the "physical" parts of the user interface; that is, things that respond to user input such as mouse clicks and ****. Windows (this includes dialog boxes and all controls other than Line, Shape, and Image), menus, icons, cursors, tooltips (which are actually windows), timers, standard control data (text in edit boxes and items in list boxes), and other **** like that. USER, unlike GDI, gives you virtually all of this stuff automatically. Exceptions are when you borrow an icon or cursor from another program. Anything that USER gives you automatically is also taken back automatically when your program exits.

The crucial difference here is that User takes nearly everything back automatically, whereas GDI never takes anything back. This means that if a program crashes, all the User stuff comes back, but the GDI stuff doesn't. More commonly, sloppy program leaves GDI resources unreturned. These memory leaks slowly eat away at your free RAM until you have to reboot.

[kedaman]

I hate that

[kinjalgp]

I have another but similar problem with IE 5 and Netscape. they both show "This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down........" everytime I execute them. Uninstalling and reeinstalling did't help either. another big problem is that these both prompt me every 10 to 20 seconds with a window "Run time error...Line 14.....want to debug?......"
This is really painful. I hate windows . I am now going for RedHat Linux 6.0 which is free of such pain in a** problems.

[Sastraxi]

So, on the topic, how DO you really clean out GDI resources? Is it just GDIFlush API?

[Tainc]

Kedaman,
While it probably doesn't solve your problem to install *nix on your machine to replace Windows, let me offer another option. Litestep is an X-11 type gui for windows that replaces explorer.exe completely. It's more complicated, but once you get used to the scripts (if you know VB then you can figure them out - they're not Basic, but they're easy) figured out, then it's much less buggy and everything runs faster in general because it uses minimal system resources. Since it's only a shell and not a whole operating system, Litestep is compatible with all windows apps. You also get to use cooler themes. ^_^

[Tainc]

Forgot to post the link!

http://www.litestep.org/

Don't forget to read the documantation, it's a bit complicated at first if you don't know *nix.

[Tainc]

I'm sorry, I was wrong. It's http://www.litestep.net

[kedaman]

Hmmm, are you sure litestep will use less resources? And will it handle the resources for ie too? I've tried litestep some years ago and didn't like it, i thought all shellrep's just slowed down your system

[Tainc]

But I probably knocked a good 7 seconds off my boot time with it, and I seem to have a bit fewer memory leaks. I don't know - you ought to give v.24.5 a shot. See how it works. At any rate, it's not exactly tough to switch back... just change the SHELL= line in system.ini back to explorer.exe...

[kedaman]

I'll try but i'm going to change back if it shows to be a) slow or b) eating up much resorces or c) eating up enough resources

[Tainc]

To each his own. 'Twas only a suggestion. I'm on a non-microsoft spree. Litestep, Staroffice, Eudora, Borland, etc.etc.