Best processor?

[JungleMan]

can ya tell i think AMD rules

[Bloodeye]

Where's PII-Snaileron
I feel so left out....

My money's with the AMD...

[filburt1]

Originally posted by jpbtennisman
can ya tell i think AMD rules

Just look at the votes, too.

[plenderj]

For a desktop/home machine, I'd stick with the P4.

For a server I'd go with either a Xeon or Itanium processor.

[filburt1]

So according to the poll, you're retarted.

[plenderj]

Apparantly so

[Anacrusis]

AMD all the way!

[nishantp]

You know that poll really makes you wonder why Intel Owns the damn market...

[filburt1]

Simple: PC manufacturers make up the vast majority of the PC market. Only us people who make their own pooters use the AMD, and cheap-ass companies like Gateway and Compaq.

[plenderj]

**** that.
Ive been building computers since I was 13 and I've never once put anything but intel into a motherboard.

This whole thing with AMD and what not is just people jumping onto the Wintel bashing bandwagon.
While intel processors were faster than all others in their class for years nobody was slagging off AMD or cyrix.
But now that AMD might be getting one up over intel in a few cases 'everyone' hates intel.

Personally I love the wintel combination.
Microsoft & Intel forever.

[CiberTHuG]

Originally posted by plenderj
**** that.
Ive been building computers since I was 13 and I've never once put anything but intel into a motherboard.

This whole thing with AMD and what not is just people jumping onto the Wintel bashing bandwagon.
While intel processors were faster than all others in their class for years nobody was slagging off AMD or cyrix.
But now that AMD might be getting one up over intel in a few cases 'everyone' hates intel.

Personally I love the wintel combination.
Microsoft & Intel forever.

Wow, you are retarded.

Intel uses a CISC approach. Each generation they were slower than the Motorola 68K, which is a RISC chip. But you couldn't get a home PC with a Motorola. You had to settle for a closed Apple system.

Now that Intel has started putting crazy on chip memory and converted their chip to a CISC front end for a RISC chip they are overtaking the Motorola. Now that they have finally learned the error of their ways and are trying to innovate.

I like AMD because they are trying to push. They are trying to use finer and finer processing. Intel got lazy. AMD was a clone maker for the longest time, but now that they are making a run at playing with the big dogs, I don't mind backing them.

Mind you, if I could get the software I wanted (and had the experience) I would by a new G4 and put BSD or something on it.

There would be some serious speed. And I wouldn't have to put up with a crappy OS like Windows.

[plenderj]

I take it you are being sarcastic when you're referring to me as retarded.

I dont think Intel has made any errors or seriously bad mistakes.
Fine motorola might be faster, or at least might have been.
You can say the same for MIPS or other weird and wonderful proprietary processors.

Intel are building a particular class of CPU, and they're doing it well.

[CiberTHuG]

Well, you are not truely retarded. But we aren't hoping on a Wintel bashing bandwagon. There are very real and very serious reasons to hate Microsoft and Intel, and to steer away from Wintel platforms.

For at home use, Wintel (like VB) is fine. But for mission critical, production environments, where you have to consider multi-user, cross platform, high volume, stable up-times, and true multi-tasking... don't ever even joke about using Windows. I will let you get away with using Intel, because you can't get a dual or quad board for all the AMD processors. I figure you are using Intel to save money over a G4, MIPS, RS/4000 or whatever else. But you need to use a real OS. Solaris, Linux, BSD, AIX, Tru64, whatever. Setting up a server farm with IIS is just stupid. I'm sorry. And I could go chapter and verse, case and point, but I don't feel like re-itterating it again and again.

All I can say is... don't go with Intel because they are the biggest. Don't go with Microsoft because they are the biggest. Don't go with AOL because they are the biggest.

The Ford Explorer is the best selling SUV. I'm sorry, that just goes to show that the populace is stupid.

BetaMax was a better technology than VHS. But VHS is now the defacto standard. That just goes to show you what marketing can do.

[EternalKnight]

Originally posted by plenderj
I take it you are being sarcastic when you're referring to me as retarded.

I dont think Intel has made any errors or seriously bad mistakes.
Fine motorola might be faster, or at least might have been.
You can say the same for MIPS or other weird and wonderful proprietary processors.

Intel are building a particular class of CPU, and they're doing it well.

Yeah, they were doing pretty well and no I don't understand why they are now catching so much flak. AMD currently happens to beat most P4's, but that could soon change.

One thing that I wonder though: Rambus RAM beats the pants off DDR, yet a 1.7 ghz P4 is usually outperformed by a 1.4 ghz Athlon with DDR.

Once Intel chipsets actually utilize the full potential of Rambus RAM I think Intel will shoot way ahead on performance.

[plenderj]

Also regarding enterprise level solutions, Windows 2000 [Advanced/DataCentre] Server is guaranteed 99.999% uptime.

We're running NT4 in here, with SQL 7, and Exchange 5.5, and the server never crashes. Never.

Well actually it did crash once because the hard drive had failed, but besides that its been clean sailing.

And I wouldnt just go with microsoft because they're big.
I also like novell.

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by plenderj
I take it you are being sarcastic when you're referring to me as retarded.

I dont think Intel has made any errors or seriously bad mistakes.
Fine motorola might be faster, or at least might have been.
You can say the same for MIPS or other weird and wonderful proprietary processors.

Intel are building a particular class of CPU, and they're doing it well.

No not retarded...

But considering the Athlon processor is about 1/4 of the cost and provides, in most cases, better performance, you have to be out of your right mind to buy a P4 in the average situation. Sure like anything p4 has its strengths...but for most uses the athlon blows the P4 out of the water..

And yes i have figures to back that up, a P4 1.8 is about $600, an Athlon 1.4 is about $170..

[filburt1]

You can't compare MHz. That's like saying a Mac G4 733 is slower than a P3-733, where (unfortunately ) it kicks the crap out of the P3 in most things.

[JungleMan]

Originally posted by filburt1
You can't compare MHz. That's like saying a Mac G4 733 is slower than a P3-733, where (unfortunately ) it kicks the crap out of the P3 in most things.

sure does

and btw i'm not a mac hater

[filburt1]

I appreciate the advantages of Mac over PC and vice versa.

Although I USED to be a Mac hater, and for some things (like the iMac) I still am.

[aknisely]

ALL HAIL MICORSOFT AND INTEL ANDSAJROIAJSFA!!!

[scoutt]

hmmmm. you guys are funny. Intel SUCKS, they have always been beaten by AMD and they always will. Rambus Ram is going out. it was a fluke and it will not last long. Look you can barely find it anymore. DDR on the other hand is here to stay. watch as it pushes DIMM's aside as the SIMMS were.


just my personal opinion

[dimava]

I support AMD alot, but there athlon processor is like a P 3.5

P4 is faster, and amd hasn't started making processors faster then 1.3ghz yet. I have an ahtlon 500 and i'm pretty satisfied


~~~Diamva~~~

[plenderj]

Well to date I've not had any problems.
I've loved the 486DX2/66, the 486DX4/[100/120], the P5, then I admit intel dropped the ball a little with the Pentium Pro, and then onto the P-II, P-II, P-IV and what not.

So its not like they dont know what they're doing
If you think about it, AMD have just been copying intel's processors for years. So they dont have to put nearly the same amount of effort/development time in.

So Intel come up with the greate new technology, and AMD just work on it a bit, and release their new processors, which would probably be quicker.

Same thing happens in motorsports, eg. Formula1.
One team spends ages developing something new.
And they bring it out, and it works brilliantly.
Then all the other teams see what they've done, take the idea, spend a little time on it, and make a better one.

[JungleMan]

mhz do not matter all the time!

P4 is faster at Q3A and sometimes graphics, but Athlon beats the fastest P4 at everythign else!

Look at the poll numbers, they don't lie :-D

[HarryW]

So if Intel invent the technology and then AMD copy it and make it better, exactly what is the point in sticking with Intel?

[plenderj]

Well I would feel very confident about the fact that it was intel's innovation/smarts that came up with the technology.

But the fact that someone else was able to improve upon it ... pfft who cares. Once you've got the complicated bits worked out, its normally pretty easy to go from there.

[HarryW]

Is that speaking as an experienced designer of microprocessors?

Who cares who invented it? Surely what matters is which is the better product? Xerox invented the mouse, that doesn't mean you only buy Xerox mice. Apple invented the GUI (I think), that doesn't mean you only use Apple GUIs.

If Mr Ug from the stone age who invented the wheel was selling wheels made of stone, would you put them on your car instead of a set of Bridgestones?

[plenderj]

Point taken.
But at this level of complexity, intel are the ones who know the cpu inside out. They know why everything is where it is.

Then AMD comes along, and start messing with it.


Imagine then if you will, the US military lose a nuclear warhead over some backwards country. If they found that, then start messing with it, and "improving" it, who'd missles would you want to buy ?
Granted, this backwards country might improve the power of the missle, but god only knows at what cost ?
There could be crap leaking from it, it could be less stable, could blow up if you fart within 50 feet of the thing ....

Ya know ?

[scoutt]

true that AMD was coping the Intel chip, but after a few years, I think it was after the 486, is when AMD went on there own. so anything after the 486 was AMD's own design. Besides it was Intels fault that AMD knows the design considering Intel hired them to make there (Intel) chips.

[JoshT]

Who cares who invented it? Surely what matters is which is the better product? Xerox invented the mouse, that doesn't mean you only buy Xerox mice. Apple invented the GUI (I think), that doesn't mean you only use Apple GUIs.

Actually, I think Xerox invented the GUI...

[aknisely]

Just to clarify, Xerox invented both the GUI and the mouse, but Apple had made a deal to purchase the Xerox's innovations, and of course took these.

[HarryW]

Okay, had a feeling Apple got it from somewhere

Back to the AMD/Intel thing though.

AMD aren't stupid, they are experts too. Intel are good I agree, but AMD are just as good technically. I don't think it's fair to compare them to 'some backwards country' with a nuclear missile.

AMD make their own chips now from their own designs. They used to be just a maker of cheap clones, but over the last two years or so they have become a viable choice with some excellent products. The reason businesses continue to buy mainly Intel are

1) They already have loads of Intel machines and want to keep all their systems as similar as possible

2) Noone ever got fired for buying Intel

Technically, Intel are no better for desktop PCs, and they're more expensive for the same thing. They are way ahead in the server/enterprise market for the moment though.

[plenderj]

Well I personally would feel more confident buying gear made by a company that's been leading the way with innovative products for ages, that buying gear made by a company that only over the past 2 or 3 years has started making stuff that's going faster.

[HarryW]

Intel hadn't been innovative for a long time until AMD gave them a good kick up the arse.

[aknisely]

The term "innovation" has changed quite a bit for the computing world in the past ten years.

[JungleMan]

The verdict is in...

10.34% of the world's population is retarded!

jk..not ALL P4 users are retarded..

[parksi£]

nope now it's only 9.68%