DNA7433 - Religious Thread

[kovan]

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i have asked these to be explained before, no one has successfuly explained anyone of them (well actually i think one was explained)

take a shot at it, hope you can convince me that they are NOT contridictions, as you said you can prove anyone wrong that posts contridictions of the Bible

[Technocrat]

Good luck with that. I doubt you will ever get anyone to give you the answers you are looking for. People want so badly want what they believe in is real, and they are not wasting their times that they will over look things like this.

It's likely the author of the bible did not pay too close attention to his story and made small consistency mistakes that most fiction writers do. Or as someone else pointed out it could be poor translations. I would bet on the first one.

PS That saying in your Signature is great.

[kovan]

i have asked same questions over and over and over
they tell me "we will get back to you"
havent heard a thing yet
it makes me wonder why people believe so blindly
i believe in a religion, i wish someone would bring up some contridictions about my belief so that i have something reflect on

anyways, without getting into a discussion YET,
i hope someone answers some of them if not all


oh n thanks for the compliment on the signature

[Beacon]

1) Kovan perhaps you could not oput so many questions perhaps ask 1 at a time?
And which religion are you pointing this at??? Anglican, Catholic etc.

2) Whats your religion?

3)Technocrat: Author??? Try Authors there was no author of the bible!

4) Where's Tygur he'll be putting you straight. A

5) Why should we convince you of these as you put it contradictions when you are of a totally different belief you dont see things the same way?

6) The bible is 1 story told by 1 person but lots of short "stories" told/written by many people so perhaps there are some contradictions. They would of been scribed subject to a persons memory as well i would say!
Like come on who cares how many horses someone had!!

[kovan]

1. Christianity at a whole, all the so called bibles being specific

2. Islam

3. sure there is, i mean there is for main "bibles" so it has an other since they are named after people who were "inspired"
King James.. ect

4. I just need some clarrifications, i wanna know if they are contridictions, why so many people put their faith in the bible
i wouldnt bring it up, but DNA wanted to use the bible to prove something wrong, so first i would like him explain these before he uses something thats corrupt to explain something else

5. Perhaps i am an open minded person? and that if christianity has more to offer to me i would want to change religions?
this post is for anyone that can try and explain their OWN faith,

6. if the book contridicts itself, then its corrupt, so a lot of people care how many horses someone had

i hope we can go back to the original purpose of this thread

if you got an answer to any of those "contridictions" please post

if you wanna talk about something else
please start a new thread, i am hoping we wont lose track this time and i might get some answers

[Technocrat]

Originally posted by Beacon

3)Technocrat: Author??? Try Authors there was no author of the bible!

4) Where's Tygur he'll be putting you straight. A

3) Says you. If I ever have the time one of these days ,I will try to find the documents writen by a historian, on who he believes wrote the bible (And it wasn't god). It is believed that one man that wrote a good majority of it. I believe it is one of the world greatest works of fiction.

4) Atlease he will try

[nishantp]

Waht exactly are you trying to do here? No one will be swayed by anything you say here anyways. Your first link points to a post where Barrk makes a very good point. Sometimes it doesnt matter why people do things, just what they are doing. Ya so one guy says there are more horses than another. The TEACHINGS of the bible which you have totally overlooked would make the world a much better place if people followed them (i am not a christian btw). Even if people were to accept your claims that the bible is corrupt...ask yourself this. How many people have been killed, how many people rights have been infringed on, how many atrocities have been commited in the name of Islam? Have you ever heard of terrorism in the name of christianity?? NO because the bible cant be interpreted that way. The koran may not teach all of the things mentioned above, but people were able to make those interpretations (however wrong) and have commited huge atrocities (Afganistan for example). So there are contradictions in the bible. Has following the teachings of the bible ever cause anyone to be tortured or killed (aside from being persecuted for beleiving in the bible). I think you should ask yourself some questions before questioning others.

[CiberTHuG]

Originally posted by kovan
2. Islam

Can you clarify something for me. As I understand it, all Christains are Jews who believe the Messiah have come. All Muslims are Jews who believe Jesus was the last great prophet and Mohammed was the last minor prophet. Is that right?

3. sure there is, i mean there is for main "bibles" so it has an other since they are named after people who were "inspired"
King James.. ect

I'm agnostic, so I don't rightly care, but HRM King James didn't do the translations himself. He commissioned the work. I'm sure this ties in with the Kingdom's break with the Pope and the founding of the Anglican church. Don't ask me, I don't remember who was king first, James I or Henry VII.

5. Perhaps i am an open minded person? and that if christianity has more to offer to me i would want to change religions?
this post is for anyone that can try and explain their OWN faith,

If you choose a religion based on what it offers who, you are a fool, no offense. If we were all to find out that there is a god and that he is truely a wrathful god who wants to toture us all, well, it doesn't matter if you choose his religion or not. He is and we all suffer for it. You don't get to escape a god you don't like just by changing religions.

In other words, we shouldn't be seeking for a religion we like, but god itself, if such a thing exists.

The only answers I can give to these contradictions is most likely translations. King James's men knowingly changed some text so it would be more identifiable with contemporary (16-17th century Europe) man. For example, no one in Europe had seen an ostrich, but most believed in dragons.

I personally don't understand why an ostrich would be mentioned in the bible. I didn't think they were native to Asia, Asia Minor, or Africa. I could be wrong.

[kovan]

all good points
however, if you dont have any explaination please post your good points in another thread,
i REALLY want someone to actually explain these to me...
if you cant do it, please stand back and let someone else try

if you want to discuss somethign else, start a new thread

[DNA7433]

tada! DNA is here, however he doesn't have any answers yet, as he has just now seen this thread.

[kovan]

good
i am all excited about what you have got for me

[barrk]

Originally posted by kovan
i am all excited about what you have got for me

Boy, it's taking a lot of sef-restraint not to post the obvious comment here! Very painful, indeed!

[Tygur]

Originally posted by Beacon
4) Where's Tygur he'll be putting you straight. A

Originally posted by Technocrat
4) Atlease he will try

I just found this thread. Looks like I got lots of explaining to do. My first post might not be for a couple hours, tho, beacause I got some other stuff to do.

[nishantp]

Seriously. Painful is an understatement.

[DNA7433]

i have looked over all the texts (except for one because i don't feel like reading the whole chapter), and i must say that no one in my faith talks of these things, so i have not seen these before. As i said i did look them all up and they all seem true to me to be contradictions (except for the one i didn't look up, but i'll give that one the benefit of the doubt). I do not study the Bible myself, so i will have to ask other people.

This is all of great concern to me, and i know you guys hate it when people try to bend what the text is saying so it fits their needs, so i will not rest until i find the true answer. whether you believe my answer or not is up to you.

However as i am writing this i have opened the thread in another window and see that Tygur has responded, he will probably have answers before i do, but whether his will be the same as mine is yet to be determined

[aknisely]

The Bible is a load of foolish nonsense. Anyone who honestly believes that things depicted in the Bible represent reality need a serious reality check. There is proof that the earth was created billions of years before God even existed in the minds of those who so pittifully believe his existance, billions of years before humans came about.

Come up with any factual information in the Bible and there'd be a thousand pieces of scientific information to easily disprove it.

[kovan]

can we please come back to the topic
i finally got 2 people that are willing to look these up


Katie, i dont know what your talkinga bout

[DNA7433]

I do believe in the Bible, every word of it. You are the foolish one, aknisely.

I hate to be the one to say it, (and yes, it gets old after every christian says it), but you know where your headed aknisely, Hell. Although with an attitude like that, i could personally care less whether you get "saved" or not, but God cares, it hurts Him really bad, but He's not gonna do anything, seeing as how you've rejected Him so badly. He doesn't want to, but He'll let Satan take control of you.

and yes, lets get back to the real topic, and leave these side topics for other threads

[aknisely]

"He doesn't want to, but He'll let Satan take control of you"

Why? If your "God" is so benevolent and loving, why does he so easily condemn me? Why doesn't he tell me that unless I believe what was written in what is obviously fictional literature, he's gonna stick me among fire and sulfur and whatever else your "Hell" consists of?

[kovan]

yes please lets do

if you dont have anything related to explaining "those contridictions"
PLEASE, i ask of you in the nicest way possible,
that you do not post here

if you wanna diss the bible or what ever, take it to a new thread

thank you

[DNA7433]

Factual Information: There was a great flood on earth.

Now, disprove that.


(i know i said we should get back to the real topic, but until the two of us get answers, we can always diverge )

[aknisely]

There was a great flood on earth.

Alright. It can easily be said that an Ice Age would be similar enough to a global flood. But that hasn't happened for 10,000 years, more than twice the age of the earth described in the bible.

[kovan]

lets come back to topic
i dont want to loose track of what i have so far

talkinga bout other things always hides the real issue
so please

[DNA7433]

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DIVERGE! DIVERGE! DIVERGE! DIVERGE! DIVERGE!


So where is everyone from?

[Tygur]

Originally posted by aknisely
The Bible is a load of foolish nonsense. Anyone who honestly believes that things depicted in the Bible represent reality need a serious reality check. There is proof that the earth was created billions of years before God even existed in the minds of those who so pittifully believe his existance, billions of years before humans came about.

Come up with any factual information in the Bible and there'd be a thousand pieces of scientific information to easily disprove it.

You are assuming there was a time when God did not exist in our minds. As far as I know, there is no scientific evidence to support that asumption. Yes, the earth was created billions of years ago (maybe more), but that does not conflict with the bible. The bible is not "a load of foolish nonsense". But I perfer to discuss this in another thread, since Kovan wants this thread to stay on topic.

[Tygur]

Contradiction #11

When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?

(a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4).

(b) Seven thousand (1 Chronicles 18:4).

Not a good start. I had to dig deep for this one. Apparently, in the Greek Septuagint, both scriptures say that 1,000 chariots and 7,000 horsemen were captured. It seems that the difference in numbers is probably due to "scribal error". It should also be noted that it "may simply reflect other aspects of the war or different ways of reckoning" (not my own words).

[DNA7433]

i've started a new thread, "more religous blabber," so that this one does not get off topic

[Tygur]

Contradiction #12

How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?

(a) Forty thousand (1 Kings 4:26).

(b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25).

There are a couple possibilities here. Here's the most likely, in my opinion: Solomon's riches were growing (1 Kings said this much), so if he had Forty thousand, then he must've had Four thousand at one time. If so, both scriptures would be correct, but reflecting different times.

[kovan]

no disrespect to you
but i am not looking for your opinion

when you have gone over all of them
i will compile them
and get back to you on each and responde on each
as well as if i need clarrification i will ask for it

[Tygur]

oh, i c
so go over each one and make one huge message for all?

[kovan]

well i will wait for your response on each

then i will take your responses
and research so that i know where yoru coming from
the if i need anymore clariffication, i shall ask for it

keep going
your doing a good job

by the way
i have many many more that i havent posted yet

[Tygur]

okay..
I'll just post them all in a huge message, then. It'll probably take me a while to get through all these, though. I don't expect to finish tonight.

More?? Looks like I got my work cut out for me, then

[kovan]

yep

[DNA7433]

i did some *research*

actually about 30 seconds of searching on google.com

i found this page which *seems* to have a lot of links and books on this whole subject of contradictions

but since it is my bed-time here on the east coast USA, i have no time to review the page today

http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/b08.html

[kovan]

keeping the thread alive..