Die, Microsoft, Die!!!!!!!!!!

spetnik · Jun 26th, 2001, 09:06 AM

Does anyone know the reason that in MDI applications (all, not just VB) it is impossible to have one child window maximized and another restored?? Windows only lets em all be maximized, or all restored. Hello, Bill!!! We are no longer with Win3.1! Let's get with the program!!!

ATommasi · Jun 26th, 2001, 09:20 AM

I agree. That is soooo annoying, I wish there was someway that we could work around that.

spetnik · Jun 26th, 2001, 09:25 AM

There sure is. Pick up an uzi and join me in the march to Seattle

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ATommasi · Jun 26th, 2001, 09:34 AM

I'm right behind ya!

**gulliver** · Jun 26th, 2001, 10:10 AM

C'mon guys - cheer up!

I'm sure there's a way to make one window restored and keep the other maximised if one uses the Windows API.

Remember that the Win32 API is more powerful than Bill Gates himself!!!

Don't give up - that's my advice!

-Gulliver.

**JoshT** · Jun 26th, 2001, 10:19 AM

Don't march, buy a military surplus tank, paint penquins on it, and drive it to Seattle.

**Jotaf98** · Jun 26th, 2001, 10:19 AM

Listen to Gulliver and save ammo

If you can't use the windows API to make it, you can always use a regular array of forms and limit them to the main window (using SetParent API)

spetnik · Jun 26th, 2001, 10:32 AM

hmmm, maybe. but then why hasnt anyone done that? I havent seen a single MDI App that can do this. Not even MS Office! I wonder if thats why they abandoned the MDI format in 2K?

Anyways, the tank with penguins is a good idea. Thanx! I'm ordering one now...

**Dementia Freaks** · Jun 26th, 2001, 10:42 AM

I have a question.
You complain about MS so much, why don't you solve your problem, and run a different platform? There are many to choose from, like Unix, MAC(lol), Linux and more. Maybe if you switch, you can quite complaining. You may not be running it, but it seems like you are. And jeeze man, Windows was only made to allow computers to come into the home, and make them easier to use. It took them out of DOS. So of course there are going to be a few problems, what do you expect, a completely bug proof piece of software that runs your whole PC!?

spetnik · Jun 26th, 2001, 10:46 AM

Dementia Freaks, you raise excelent points. However, here at work, I do not have a say as to what platform we use, so I am stuck. Sorry

. Listen, I'm leavin to Seattle today. U comin or not?

**Jotaf98** · Jun 26th, 2001, 11:11 AM

Hum, I can lend you some weapons, but I can't go. I have to go to school tomorrow

Anyway I don't think it's a good idea. People don't like to get shot and tend to do whatever they can so OTHERS get shot instead of them

Tygur · Jun 26th, 2001, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by spetnik
hmmm, maybe. but then why hasnt anyone done that? I havent seen a single MDI App that can do this. Not even MS Office! I wonder if thats why they abandoned the MDI format in 2K?

Download Opera..

**Skitchen8** · Jun 26th, 2001, 11:51 AM

PAINT PENGUINS ON IT??? why penguins

spetnik · Jun 26th, 2001, 12:00 PM

Ahh, has MicroSoft brainwashed u 2? Read the 1st sentence on this page: http://penguin.uk.linux.org/

**Skitchen8** · Jun 26th, 2001, 12:03 PM

yes, and that has what to do with penguins??

spetnik · Jun 26th, 2001, 12:04 PM

http://www.linux.org.uk/
and btw, skitchen, ur signature is scary

**Skitchen8** · Jun 26th, 2001, 12:07 PM

**Skitchen8** · Jun 26th, 2001, 12:45 PM

i get it now... i forgot to go to the link

**Jotaf98** · Jun 27th, 2001, 03:16 AM

Hey spetnik: how was the battle?

Btw, what would you think of a paintball game that used infrareds instead of paint balls?

**da_silvy** · Jun 27th, 2001, 03:31 AM

I would have come, but i couldn't find my cartridges

besides i think i only had "duck" ones anyway

that paintball idea would be cool if it could be achieved.

**Joacim Andersson** · Jun 27th, 2001, 03:32 AM

Originally posted by spetnik
Hello, Bill!!! We are no longer with Win3.1! Let's get with the program!!!

I agree spetnik, get with the program. Since Win95 Microsoft didn't recommend the use of MDI applications any more because they are considered to be complicated to understand.

So get with the program and build SDI applications instead.

spetnik · Jun 27th, 2001, 07:55 AM

Originally posted by Jotaf98
Hey spetnik: how was the battle?

Didn't start yet, need more ppl

Originally posted by Jotaf98
Btw, what would you think of a paintball game that used infrareds instead of paint balls?

They have that. It's called LaserTag

spetnik · Jun 27th, 2001, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by Joacim Andersson

I agree spetnik, get with the program. Since Win95 Microsoft didn't recommend the use of MDI applications any more because they are considered to be complicated to understand.

So get with the program and build SDI applications instead.

Yes,

, but we still have older apps here at work. And anyways, look at VB. It used to be SDI, and they changed it to MDI (although you can still switch it back to SDI)

**Jotaf98** · Jun 27th, 2001, 02:24 PM

Well... maybe I should've pattented it when I had this idea (I was 5 years old then

)

It would be really cool, I had great ideas like infrared grenades (with lots of mirrors so the little infrared light reflects randomly), flamethrowers (almost the same thing), snipers, and I would even be able to control the fire rate trough a small clock I built so any weapon would be possible

**da_silvy** · Jun 28th, 2001, 01:25 AM

is this lasertag in the us or something?

they have something like this in aus, except it's not called lasertag

it's called zone3 or darkzone or laserforce or something

**Jotaf98** · Jun 28th, 2001, 03:00 AM

It probably is. We have a similar thing too, but it's for kids and it's just a pistol/machinegun hybrid, no hand grenades or snipers

And my idea was also to have a small detector attached to your t-shirt that beeped when hit

I'm learning electronics next year, maybe I'll be able to do it

spetnik · Jun 28th, 2001, 08:16 AM

There are many variations of lasertag. I will explain the most sofisticated one that I know of.

There are about 15-20+ people devided into two teams. The playing area is a dark smokey area below an observation deck (for those who wish to watch for free). There are obstacles (barrels, boxes...) and low walls all around. On each end is a base for a team. Near the base is a recharger, which when u place your gun on it, it gives you more lives (unlimitted, but every 3-6 times u are shot u must recharge). Shots are limited to 160 or something. The gun is something the size of an uzi, and is connected via wires to your vest. The vest has sensors on back and front, and your gun has three sensors on it. Should you get shot on any of these sensors, your entire ves and gun vibrate and you lose a life. For the next 3 seconds, you cannot shoot and you cannot be shot (During this period a voice is telling you "Don't Shoot...Don't Shoot..."). For the three seconds after this, you cannot shoot, but you can be shot (and a voice is saying "warning...warning..."). After recharging your lives, you also cannot shoot but can be shot at for 3 seconds.
The main object of the game (which lasts 20 minutes) is to accumulate as many points as you can for you and your team. Points can be achieved by shooting members on the other team (you lose points for shooting teammates), but the main objective (which scores the most points) is to capture the other team's base). In order to do this, one player (although it is usually helpful if he has one or more teammates accompanying him) must enter the other team's base. In the ceiling of this semi-hut, there is a little hole. The attacker must shoot through the hole, at which point a revolving red light on top of the base ligts up. He must wait 15 seconds, before shooting again, at which point a siren sounds to signify that he has successfully captured the base.
You can capture the base an unlimitted amount of times throughout the game, and the team with the most points wins. Upon completion, each player is given a printout of his team's as well as his personal stats which include how many times he shot someone and how many times he got shot.
There are less sofisticated versions of this game, some without teams, and some just without a base.This is a very fun game which I have played several times, and I highly recommend it.

spetnik · Jun 28th, 2001, 08:42 AM

boy o boy, where did this thread go? Parksie would love this one

**Skitchen8** · Jun 28th, 2001, 11:29 AM

and how did it turn into laser tag??

spetnik · Jun 28th, 2001, 11:34 AM

Investigation is under way.

**PsychoMark** · Jun 28th, 2001, 12:31 PM

it is impossible to have one child window maximized and another restored??

No it's not! Just tried it, created an MDI form and 2 child windows, which indeed are maximized all at the same time. But then I added a normal form and did this:

Code:

Private Declare Function SetParent Lib "user32" (ByVal hWndChild As Long, _
        ByVal hWndNewParent As Long) As Long

Private Sub MDIForm_Load()
    Load Form3
    Call SetParent(Form3.hWnd, MDIForm1.hWnd)
    Form3.Show
End Sub

it worked fine...

Tygur · Jun 28th, 2001, 12:37 PM

Spetnik also said that he's never seen an app that does that.

Apparently, he never took a good look at Opera..

**hlynurj** · Jun 28th, 2001, 12:55 PM

PsychoMark, I tried your solution and yes it works. But in my app I have an Toolbar and Statusbar on the MDIForm which is normally on top of any child form. But when show a form using your solution it gets on top of the bars. And if maximise that form and then restore it the bars disappear.

spetnik · Jun 28th, 2001, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Tygur
Spetnik also said that he's never seen an app that does that.

Apparently, he never took a good look at Opera..

uh oh, back on topic...
what's opera?

**PsychoMark** · Jun 28th, 2001, 01:21 PM

Opera is my favorite browser

http://www.opera.com/

If you look at for example the download window, that one does exactly what you mean...

spetnik · Jun 28th, 2001, 01:26 PM

Downloading now

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**Skitchen8** · Jun 28th, 2001, 01:27 PM

this is bad... you people are bringing this thread back out of the gutter!!

spetnik · Jun 28th, 2001, 01:28 PM

Parksie has been notified...

spetnik · Jun 28th, 2001, 01:29 PM

u know whats cool? until John finds this, we are upping our post counts (and not promoting Napster

)

**Skitchen8** · Jun 28th, 2001, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by spetnik
u know whats cool? until John finds this, we are upping our post counts (and not promoting Napster )

hehe... we finally ended that one!!

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