[RESOLVED] artificial intelligence

[moti barski]

Yeah, except now we are the ones writing nonsense, not Motti.

this is the 2nd time you mistype tt instead of t, you can take out the char button clean the dust, get a new keyboard 2nd hand for cheap, or maybe
stop knacking that t pressing finger

[weirddemon]

Yeah, except now we are the ones writing nonsense, not Motti.

Also, you can always read/edit the community book:

The FAI That Could - The Story of Moti Barski, a Forum and The Desparate Efforts To Stave Off Insanity

Chapter 1 – Jest in Time Compilation

It was a dark and stormy night. Deep within the recesses of his own mind, moti barski considered himself to be a legend. It was time for the world to know about his invention. But before anything could be done, he would need to create a doll. Yes, just an ordinary doll.

But this is no ordinary doll! This doll would be the personification of his life’s work! 7 years in the making, YotaMarker would soon become a reality, in software and in real life. Being a connoisseur of dolls, he knew everything about them. How to collect dolls, dress them and even make them. He knew so much about them, he had even written an excerpt in his soon to be published book, Battle Programming 2011 3rd Edition.

HOW TO MAKE A HUMAN SIZED DOLL
can be used as decoy

fill cloth (like tites) with doll fiber or cotton, metal wood or plastic to simulate bones, add a hot watter
filled bottle
where possible inside, finally add a big doll head (and drill the mouth open).

His many years of hard work and determination would soon pay off and his invention would come to fruition shortly.

Chapter 2 – This Too Shall Pass

Moti stood outside his school, taking in the familiar sights, sounds and even smells the first day of school would bring. Kids were talking and playing with each other. The boys were teasing the girls, bullies picked on the small children and the teachers attempted to get control of the kids. Everyone was doing something.

Except Moti. This school year would be like every other. He would pass unnoticed and without friends or companionship.

But not this year! This year he would release his FAI unto the world. He was tired of being friendless, so he would show the world that he didn’t need to find friends when he could make his own. His insanity would even have him believe that his FAI could pass the Turing test, become his best friend and more importantly, his girlfriend.

His new FAI combined with his doll making skills would make him legendary. He couldn’t wait to get home so he could finish uploading the necessary software, warm up a bottle of hot water and drill a hole in the doll’s head for… additional activities.

[moti barski]

if you must know at high school i tried to solve time travel (and managed to calc the speed of light), you see i hated school because they weren't teaching me anything usefull (like in macgyver) just unneeded stuff like literature ,bible and math, i was brain washed to believe a g.e.d (here it's called a bagrut certificate) was neccessary to get a job and stuff, I started working on the yotamarker after school

[baja_yu]

Yeah, who needs math anyway.

[NickThissen]

if you must know at high school i tried to solve time travel (and managed to calc the speed of light)

How did that work out for you? I hope it went better then your AI.
Anyway, the speed of light is a defined constant, how you seem to have calculated it is beyond me.

[moti barski]

How did that work out for you? I hope it went better then your AI.
Anyway, the speed of light is a defined constant, how you seem to have calculated it is beyond me.

i gotta go to work now when i get back i'll see if i can find it in it's inventor's log.

no, it didn't work, but i got a better understanding of how time and space works

[Shaggy Hiker]

That's always a positive thing. Why didn't you include that in the book? Seems like a subject that would be highly relevant and consistent with the major theme of the book.

[weirddemon]

That's always a positive thing. Why didn't you include that in the book? Seems like a subject that would be highly relevant and consistent with the major theme of the book.

By that definition, anything could be included.

[honeybee]

this is the 2nd time you mistype tt instead of t, you can take out the char button clean the dust, get a new keyboard 2nd hand for cheap, or maybe
stop knacking that t pressing finger

That's way more intelligent than any AI could produce! I refuse to believe Moti is an AI program!!

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[moti barski]

How did that work out for you? I hope it went better then your AI.
Anyway, the speed of light is a defined constant, how you seem to have calculated it is beyond me.

Et (hight energy) = -GM\R (given formula)
g = G*Et\(K*R^2) (given formula)
1\K = (G^2*Me/R^3*g) (formulas combined)
my idea was M\K= E with K being work generated by time (as in e=mC^2)
then place earth constants into 3rd equation
K = (6.4*10^6)^3*9.83\(6.67*10^-11)^2*6*6*10^24
k = c^2 = 9.653627159^16

[Shaggy Hiker]

By that definition, anything could be included.

Thank you. For the golden orb of Apollo, which rises faithfully from the eastern rim of the world, spreading it's life-giving warmth across the firmament and driving before it the cold darkness of the night, has rarely, nay, perhaps never, in it's timeless and august reign, illuminated so eloquent, so succinct, so magnificent, a statement of the obvious as that which you have supplied.

[weirddemon]

Thank you. For the golden orb of Apollo, which rises faithfully from the eastern rim of the world, spreading it's life-giving warmth across the firmament and driving before it the cold darkness of the night, has rarely, nay, perhaps never, in it's timeless and august reign, illuminated so eloquent, so succinct, so magnificent, a statement of the obvious as that which you have supplied.

Yup, that's me, Captain Obvious. My powers of observation will cease to amaze you!

HUZZAH!!!

[NickThissen]

Et (hight energy) = -GM\R (given formula)
g = G*Et\(K*R^2) (given formula)
1\K = (G^2*Me/R^3*g) (formulas combined)
my idea was M\K= E with K being work generated by time (as in e=mC^2)
then place earth constants into 3rd equation
K = (6.4*10^6)^3*9.83\(6.67*10^-11)^2*6*6*10^24
k = c^2 = 9.653627159^16

That makes no sense at all. If K = c^2 then M/K = M/c^2 != E... The units aren't even correct.

[Shaggy Hiker]

This line doesn't seem right, either:

1\K = (G^2*Me/R^3*g)

It seems like it should be:

1\K = -(G^2*Me/R^3*g)

[coolcurrent4u]

i just keep laughing as i read through this thread lol

[weirddemon]

i just keep laughing as i read through this thread lol

We'll be at a thousand posts before we even realize it :P

We were a little shaky towards the middle though. We had a great start, then the thread started to die, and now it's back!

I want to see more videos of the FAI in action though. I'd like to see it do something more practical than just spitting out random stuff.

[minitech]

I wish we could actually talk to it, if it actually remotely exists it could be more fun than this thread

[moti barski]

i left a phone message at some prof of tel aviv university if he ignores me i will pull out the big guns (metaforic guns)

[Lord_Rat]

Mottti pulls out a word like "floccinaucinihilipilification" then follows that up with "metaforic". Oh the ironing is delicious.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Ironing is delicious? Hmmm, never tried that. The iron burns my tongue.

@Moti: Profs are motivated by different things in different types of universities. Not hearing back from one probably means that you approached the problem the wrong way. Frankly, I would guess that a phone message is a pretty poor medium for contacting a prof, based on the ones I have known in college and grad school. The reason is that few people can convey any meaningful inew concept in a phone message without sounding totally insane unless they already have a working relationship with the person they are contacting. I would suggest that the written word, even if only e-mail, would be better than a phone message, and not some one-line message, either. The first line or so has to contain the weight of the whole body, while the rest is supporting material. If you catch their interest with the first paragraph, they will read the rest. If you fail with the first paragraph, the rest isn't worth your time.

[minitech]

Which we know actually isn't worth the professor's time, so why bother giving him the tips?

[baja_yu]

Why not have Yotamarker send the professor an email?

[NotLKH]

???

How did the professor build a computer?
And if so, Gilligan would have eaten the coconut based power supply, or tripped over the vine connecting it to the internet by now, destroying it forever!

Also, even so, wouldn't that make moti, let alone Ginger and MaryAnn jealous?

[honeybee]

???

How did the professor build a computer?
And if so, Gilligan would have eaten the coconut based power supply, or tripped over the vine connecting it to the internet by now, destroying it forever!

Also, even so, wouldn't that make moti, let alone Ginger and MaryAnn jealous?

You forgot bread. Include bread too.

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[zaza]

Et (hight energy) = -GM\R (given formula)
g = G*Et\(K*R^2) (given formula)
1\K = (G^2*Me/R^3*g) (formulas combined)
my idea was M\K= E with K being work generated by time (as in e=mC^2)
then place earth constants into 3rd equation
K = (6.4*10^6)^3*9.83\(6.67*10^-11)^2*6*6*10^24
k = c^2 = 9.653627159^16

Also, I almost hate to point out that you have inadvertantly introduced a power of -1...


Here, g and K are multiplied, ie you can get gK = ....

g = G*Et\(K*R^2) (given formula)

Then in the next line you swap it over:

1\K = (G^2*Me/R^3*g) (formulas combined)

so now you have g/K = ......



That's before one looks at what you're even doing here... g is the acceleration due to gravity (9.81 ms-2, not 9.83) and the standard way to work out orbits is to set the centripetal force equal to the gravitational force, ie mg = GMm/r2 or g = GM/r2

I don't know who gave you this:

g = G*Et\(K*R^2) (given formula)

but it looks a bit iffy to me.




Also, that 9.653627 that you got in the last line is not the same as I get just by using your last equation and filling in the numbers... you've missed off dividing by one of the sixes in the denominator. And even then it's not clear why you have a 6 and not a 6E24.



But don't let that stop you.

[baja_yu]

This thread is starting to gain on intelligence, that's bad.

[formlesstree4]

This thread is starting to gain on intelligence, that's bad.

Well we can't have that. I should tell a silly story later in the thread.

[moti barski]

I don't know who gave you this:


Quote:
g = G*Et\(K*R^2) (given formula)

but it looks a bit iffy to me.

i think thats potential height energy formula, but i am not wasting more time on this as :
time travel is most probably not possible.
and seeing as i probably won't get the resources and the people in charge of science resources allocate them for stupid researches such as is ketchup healthy and that 6 billion dollar quantom tunnel thingy, teleport isn't possible.

[formlesstree4]

i think thats potential height energy formula, but i am not wasting more time on this as :
time travel is most probably not possible.
and seeing as i probably won't get the resources and the people in charge of science resources allocate them for stupid researches such as is ketchup healthy and that 6 billion dollar quantom tunnel thingy, teleport isn't possible.

Potential Energy Forumla: mass * gravity * height of the object
OR
U(r) = - Gravitational Constant * Mass of Object * Mass of Planet / Radius between both objects

The six billion dollar tunnel thingy is probably the LHC (Large Hadron Collider) which will be used to further explore the high speed collision and reactions of this world. Healthy ketchup and the likes is for our own profit in the long run, to further ourselves as a species in terms of nutritional sake.

And of course, time travel shouldn't be tampered with. I view that as one of the forbidden rules and such that "You cannot change the past". Why would one want to go back in time anyway? The butterfly effect can cause drastic changes and create an influx in the time line and possibly destroy everything as we know it as it tries to fix itself.

[sapator]

time travel is most probably not possible.

I have faith in you so can you include time travel calculation in you next book?
Thanks.
I also agree about the stupid tunnel.Breaking electrons.Bah, we all know from previous posts that ONLY THE COCKROACHES WILL SURVIVE!!! (and maybe the yodamarker)

[moti barski]

the lhc what invantion is it to produce, what progress was made ? nothing just an excuse for those idiots to get money from tax payers

michio kaku i disrespect him the most, you see him in all sorts of science channels :
with a smile he claims A.I is not possible, and doesn't exist, even though i emailed him
with a smile he speaks highly of the lhc whilst saying all it might achieve is an unuseble nonpracticle
understanding of some particles

i"ll tell you what they want it to lead to : jobs for them to teach nonpractical stuff

what has he ( michio kaku ) done other than talk ?

[Shaggy Hiker]

Healthy ketchup and the likes is for our own profit in the long run, to further ourselves as a species in terms of nutritional sake.

Baloney. We'll do something for our own benefit only when there is a pill for it, and even then we'll complain bitterly about the size.

[baja_yu]

Baloney. We'll do something for our own benefit only when there is a pill for it, and even then we'll complain bitterly about the size.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n0ZWS_ygHg

[sapator]

If you want to eat ketchup or a burger from time to time you can do it and then get some exercise, don't sit on your chair.
That's all the healthy ketchup i need.
michio kaku, again, bah, i'm with you. michio kaku is a anagrammatism for Oihcim Ukak our worst enemy since he prepares artificial cockroaches in order to conquer the planet.
I'm making a web site to inform people!With visual basic 1.0.

[baja_yu]

what has he ( michio kaku ) done other than talk ?

Yeah! What have Albert Einstein, Neils Bohr and all other scientists do except talk?! Let's see them make a human sized doll with a mouth hole!

[NickThissen]

i think thats potential height energy formula, but i am not wasting more time on this as :
time travel is most probably not possible.
and seeing as i probably won't get the resources and the people in charge of science resources allocate them for stupid researches such as is ketchup healthy and that 6 billion dollar quantom tunnel thingy, teleport isn't possible.

Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't invent a time machine, I mean, who uses SIX FORMULAS ever? That's gotta be a record!

the lhc what invantion is it to produce, what progress was made ? nothing just an excuse for those idiots to get money from tax payers

michio kaku i disrespect him the most, you see him in all sorts of science channels :
with a smile he claims A.I is not possible, and doesn't exist, even though i emailed him
with a smile he speaks highly of the lhc whilst saying all it might achieve is an unuseble nonpracticle
understanding of some particles

i"ll tell you what they want it to lead to : jobs for them to teach nonpractical stuff

what has he ( michio kaku ) done other than talk ?

You're an idiot. Sorry for being so blunt, but if you don't see the potential of the LHC then you either don't understand what it is for or don't care about the progress of the entire human race. Sure, the LHC might not produce anything, as with any other scientific experiment, but it might also vastly increase our understanding of the universe and anything around us. Any great scientific improvement has to start somewhere, and unfortunately all the simple experiments have already been done. The time of inventing a new branch of physics in your back yard is over, the experiments that do have the potential to find something new simply cost alot of money. Maybe you think you can invent a time machine in your bedroom using six formules, 3 of which are mostly incorrect, but that's simply not happening.

Oh, and you disrespect Kaku because you emailed him, and he still said real AI doesn't exist yet? Yeah, I don't understand why he still thinks that after one single email...

[moti barski]

michio kaku should have at least tested and reviewed it

[minitech]

WEll, like him, we still don't actually have access to your program. That's kind of a big problem when trying to test something, you know?

[baja_yu]

Maybe you should email Barak Obama and ask him to test it, I'm sure he just has tons of free time on his hands to waste.

Now seriously, your project will have to show A LOT more potential and credibility before you get someone like that to even consider reviewing it. Looking at your videos it looks like a joke or something a 12 year old did to impress his friends. Just looking at the UI screams 'amateur hour' and I bet the coding (syntax, style, conventions) isn't any better.

[moti barski]

baja can you elaborate, examplephy ?