There's hope for our country yet!!!!!

**barrk** · May 24th, 2001, 03:41 PM

Democrats, Republicans and the White House were pondering the new political reality today, after Sen. James Jeffords of Vermont left the Republican Party to become an independent, giving control of the Senate to the Democrats.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/...effords.focus/

http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/....03/index.html

**chrisjk** · May 24th, 2001, 03:44 PM

That's *****ed up old Bushy bayby then. His energy and tax plans are likely to be slapped I hear.

**barrk** · May 24th, 2001, 03:46 PM

Better than that....his anti-abortion, pro-religion, school voucher, missile defense system....all of it is up for grabs now depending on the whim of congress! We may still have a country left after four years after all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**SurfDemon** · May 24th, 2001, 03:50 PM

He He He,

I couldn't be happier about that.

Morally I disagree, if people voted him in under a certain party banner than he should at least respect their wishes and not change sides a few months after the election....

... but hey, my Morals have a very very small minority in the parliament of my head. They almost never get their way unless they can side with Greed, Glutteny or Sloth, the three majority parties ratlling around up there.

SD

**chrisjk** · May 24th, 2001, 03:51 PM

School voucher ayee? What's that. Buy a can of soup at Walmart and get a free school?

Oh! I kinda liked that missile defence thingy

**SurfDemon** · May 24th, 2001, 03:52 PM

Yeah! The world could do with another arms race to perk it up a bit

**barrk** · May 24th, 2001, 03:54 PM

He has always been the most liberal Republican (now there's an oxymoron

). He is not changing his platform, he's changing his political affiliation. He is still going to vote as he always has but the democrats now get to appoint the heads of the committees and make policy instead of the republicans because they are the majority now. He switched to Independent not democratic so all he did was take the power(majority) away from the republicans he didn't become a democrat. he will still vote the way the people who elected him expected him too. Not a moral shift...just a political one.

**chrisjk** · May 24th, 2001, 03:59 PM

who conceived this idea of missile defence? First I heard of it was when Billy Boy came over here nosing about with our early warning stations.

**SurfDemon** · May 24th, 2001, 04:04 PM

Sloth here, (after a big lunch annihalated Gluttony, and Greed is too busy worry about the new mortgage). I do still think it is slightly reprehensible that someone raises money for and elects an individual to speak for them in government, possibly because of the party they are in, and then that person changes.

Don't get me wrong, I ain't going to lose any sleep over it, in fact I'm more than likely to celebrate, it just strikes me as a bit cheeky to the poor old voter. It's as if the voters of his state never got a Republican to vote for (is there only one person per party per state? - I'm not that sure about the American electorial system).

SD

**barrk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
School voucher ayee? What's that. Buy a can of soup at Walmart and get a free school?

School vouchers work like this...

If you don't want your kids to go to public school, bush was going to give you 1400 dollars to go towards a private school. Sounds good....NOT

The average tuition for a private school is 3500 per year...so the 1400 helps but doesn't get you there. This is fine if you are rich enough to pay the additonal money. Good for your kid!

The drawback comes when you don't have the money or you have a special needs kid and the private schools won't take you.

What is left in the public schools are the poor kids or kids with problems....those who are already falling behind in our society.

Now look at the teachers...would you rather teach in a private school with the elite kids, or a public school with the "left-overs" and "forgotten" kids? The answer is clear...so we are left with the "left-over" teachers to teach these kids as well.

These kids don't get the education they deserve..the schools don't get the funding because they don't do well on the tests because of poor teaching or just bad environment. They grow up with no skills and they can't afford to send their kids to the good schools and the cycle continues.

It creates a virtual caste system in an already messed up and violent society...but hey MY kids would be okay so what do I care?????

**chrisjk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:05 PM

Happens all the time SD, party defections.

Usually from Tory to other!!

**barrk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by SurfDemon
Sloth here, (after a big lunch annihalated Gluttony, and Greed is too busy worry about the new mortgage). I do still think it is slightly reprehensible that someone raises money for and elects an individual to speak for them in government, possibly because of the party they are in, and then that person changes.

Don't get me wrong, I ain't going to lose any sleep over it, in fact I'm more than likely to celebrate, it just strikes me as a bit cheeky to the poor old voter. It's as if the voters of his state never got a Republican to vote for (is there only one person per party per state? - I'm not that sure about the American electorial system).

SD

I do see your point.....but I'm still tickled! How many reps you get per state is determined by the population. As Vermont is a very small state I'd guess they only get a few!

**SurfDemon** · May 24th, 2001, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
who conceived this idea of missile defence? First I heard of it was when Billy Boy came over here nosing about with our early warning stations.

President Ray-gun originally thought of the idea, but it's all a load of bollocks.

It doesn't stop rouge nations, they would just put the bomb in a truck and drive it to it's destination (NY or Washington).

It doesn't stop Russia, they supposedly have supersonic underwater nuclear torpedoes (which, strangely, I can well believe from a few things I've seen) capable of travelling up to the coast, popping out of the sea and exploding.

And it doesn't stop China who will just up their weapons count and overwhelm the defences.

Besides whats to stop nations sending hundreds/thousands of dummy rockets to baffle the system.

It is a very poorly thought out defence strategy which only serves to permit your potential enemies to cry 'fowl' and increase their arsenals.

The world was stabalising until bush boy started discarding defence treaties.

SD

**chrisjk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by barrk
School vouchers work like this...

This may sound obvious by why not just go the whole hog and give people the required cash rather than just tit-bits. Here, you only get Private school if a) you/your parents are rich bastards b) your royalty c) you got some kind of scholorship because you're a mega brainy bastard. State schools did me proud!!

**SurfDemon** · May 24th, 2001, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by barrk

I do see your point.....but I'm still tickled! How many reps you get per state is determined by the population. As Vermont is a very small state I'd guess they only get a few!

yeah, I'll still be celebrating tonight as well

Suddenly the world seems a safer place.

SD

**barrk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:12 PM

All or nothing would be better than leaving some of our population behind...unfortunately it takes money and there's only so much tax money to go around...and right now it's going to the public schools...where it should IMHO.

**chrisjk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by SurfDemon
President Ray-gun

He he, nice name

It doesn't stop rouge nations, they would just put the bomb in a truck and drive it to it's destination

The IRA have copyright over that sort of operation

It doesn't stop Russia, they supposedly have supersonic underwater nuclear torpedoes

That was a joke right? All russia have are several thousand missing nuclear warheads.

Besides whats to stop nations sending hundreds/thousands of dummy rockets to baffle the system.

Good point

**chrisjk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by barrk
All or nothing would be better than leaving some of our population behind...unfortunately it takes money and there's only so much tax money to go around...and right now it's going to the public schools...where it should IMHO.

Isn't he planning several billion's of cuts in tax though? He could just go easy on the old slash tax policy.

**barrk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:23 PM

He was but he'll have a tougher time now!

How can we tell our debtors that we can't pay them and then give your family (us Americans) tax cuts (raises basically).....meanwhile the interest is rising on the money your not paying that you should and the deficit just keeps growing until your booted out of office...then the new party comes in and starts raising the taxes to pay back the people the old administration never bothered to pay so you could get a tax break. Then you berate the new administration for raising taxes and boot them out and the cycle continues......Clinton had the deficit paid off and even had a surplus....and he didn't raise taxes...

**chrisjk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:30 PM

T'is a shame coz I was hoping you'd all just self-implode through bad management

How much does the US owe the World bank then?

Clinton had the deficit paid off and even had a surplus

True, but he had an affair with that woman. She want's her dress back from the prosecutors apparently!! And he had already served the max no. of terms.

**barrk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:34 PM

I don't care if he was sleeping with my sister and her best friend. It had no bearing on his ability to govern......

Bush stole the election and now it's being taken back!

**chrisjk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by barrk
I don't care if he was sleeping with my sister and her best friend.

What about if he was sleeping with your husband though?!?!?

Some people may thinkg "well he can't keep faithful to his wife, what chance has he got with the country"

**barrk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:41 PM

Most people are able to keep their private lives and there professional lives somewhat separate. I see no reason to believe that he couldn't. I don't condone cheating on your spouse but I don't condone witch hunts either.

**SurfDemon** · May 24th, 2001, 04:43 PM

Nah! Shaggin' Lewinsky was just a lust thing. It's kinda natural when your wife looks like a contestant on Crufts and about as warm and caring as an ice-cube.

I'd rather have someone in power who lusts after women, than somebody who lusts after anything else (money, more power, world domination, adoration etc.)

His only problem was that Lewinsky was a bit of a woofer herself. If it had been a babe, most folk would have said 'fair enough, good on you my son!'.

I liked Clinton. He struck me as a good leader who was admired on the world stage. Contrast that to the worlds (and I'm including America in this) opinion of Bush.

Just my two treaties worth,

SD

**chrisjk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:45 PM

I'm not saying I agree, just something I picked up. He ruled and if it weren't for this two term rule I reckon he'd be there doing his thing. He said as much himself. Let's not forget though, he also lied about it. That's worse than doing it in the first place (then people feel they can't trust him).

**SurfDemon** · May 24th, 2001, 04:50 PM

I can't blame him for lying. Whats he meant to do, stand up in front of all his mates and confess that he shagged the office hound?

Maybe he could find a stick and play 'fetch' with her.

Fair enough, he shouldn't have done it, and he shouldn't have lied, but neither has any baring on his ability to rule America.

If you dug through my past I'm pretty sure you could come up with some pretty damning evidence (I did inhale at college for one thing), but it doesn't effect my ability to program.

SD

**chrisjk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by SurfDemon
Contrast that to the worlds (and I'm including America in this) opinion of Bush.

Something vagely to do with this whole Kyoto thing maybe?!?!

**SurfDemon** · May 24th, 2001, 04:53 PM

Originally posted by chrisjk
Something vagely to do with this whole Kyoto thing maybe?!?!

Possibly, and triggering the next arms race.

SD

Jethro · May 24th, 2001, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by barrk
Most people are able to keep their private lives and there professional lives somewhat separate. I see no reason to believe that he couldn't. I don't condone cheating on your spouse but I don't condone witch hunts either.

Smoking Joe leaps to mind over witch hunts.

Goods news

...education, hmmm so that's were Jack Boot Johnny got his ideas and policies, l thought he was just being a total goose with that idea.

We have a federal election coming up, (must be had the liberal party.....sort of a Republican Party for dysfunctional mental retards down under.....guys canvassing last night), and am looking forward to seeing Howard crash and burn.

Surfdemon

The leader of the Democrats here in Oz switched mid-term to the labor party.

SOrt of agree with you on that, however for the majority of seats you could put up Crusty the Clown and still win them for the sitting party.

Defense Policy

Howard has this sussed. Totally f**k up the environment so nobody would want to invade you and have to clean up the mess.

Am voting Green again this time, if anyone is interested.

**chrisjk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by SurfDemon
Whats he meant to do, stand up in front of all his mates and confess that he shagged the office hound?

Well he could have just gone "Oh bollocks, yep I admit, she's right, we've been copulating in the oval office, again!!". People would have been like, "hey, he's cool".

I can't blame him for lying.

Me neither, just trying to make an aurgument!!

**chrisjk** · May 24th, 2001, 04:56 PM

If you dug through my past I'm pretty sure you could come up with some pretty damning evidence (I did inhale at college for one thing), but it doesn't effect my ability to program

No, but as you said, that was college. Now you program, so why would it affect you? He was screwing around whilst governing the country. Difference.

**SurfDemon** · May 24th, 2001, 04:59 PM

Well, at least he obviously taught her to SIT and Roll-over!!

I wonder if he taught her to beg to? I bet he wished she'd learned how to play dead!

SD

**chrisjk** · May 24th, 2001, 05:02 PM

One episode of the Simpsons (when Lisa becomes president) one of her heavies offers to "eliminate" Bart as he's being a nusance. She says No, to which the heavy says "Are you sure? you get 3 secret murders when your president."

If only that were true!!

Jethro · May 24th, 2001, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by SurfDemon
Well, at least he obviously taught her to SIT and Roll-over!!

I wonder if he taught her to beg to? I bet he wished she'd learned how to play dead!

SD

Whoa, so Clinton was a necrophiliac as well

I just wanted to see Castro's face when the news broke and he reached for that first ciger

Anyone know whose doing the wild thing with Monica now...and more importantly how often she changes her dress.

**SurfDemon** · May 25th, 2001, 08:43 AM

Lets face it. At least if you were doing Monica, you would no for certain that she doesn't mind going down!

SD

**barrk** · May 25th, 2001, 10:43 AM

I don't approve of political jokes...I've seen too many of them get elected.

**SurfDemon** · May 25th, 2001, 11:11 AM

Yeah, how do they get into power.

I mean to say, John Major. In case all of you have forgotten, he was prime-minister a while back. You probably won't remember because he's so dull grey and boring. The only reason I can recall him is that I went to regression therapy. Apparently I was Florence Nightingale, but thats a different story

SD

**chrisjk** · May 25th, 2001, 11:15 AM

Bit of a culture shock wasn't it? The Iron lady to Major

**parksie** · May 25th, 2001, 02:10 PM

What stands between Norma Major and a night of passion?

John Major's

ricmitch_uk · May 25th, 2001, 04:01 PM

What I want to know is how Bush managed to get his finger on the big red button (or do your ppl not trust him with that yet Katie?

)?
I blame Chad.

y'know when he got elected the Indian government sent him a world map with two labels on it. "You are here" and "This is India".
Hehe

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