Google Chrome Operating System

**Nightwalker83** · Jul 8th, 2009, 07:45 PM

Hi,

I just heard on cnn that Google are planning to release an operating to rival Microsoft's newer operating systems such as Vista. The operating system Google are planning to release will to called "Chrome" (Yes, just like the browser) and it will be released next year! The operating system is apparently going to be open source too.

Edit:

Google Chrome Operating System

What are your thoughts on this?

Nightwalker

**G0DL1K3** · Jul 8th, 2009, 08:58 PM

i can't wait to see.
But im using the new windows 7 atm and vista and xp are nothing on it
and i know google will fail at making a OS.

god what else thay going to make

phones
web browers
OS
Search engines.
google earth
google etc etc, Im sick of google

**techgnome** · Jul 8th, 2009, 10:02 PM

There's another thread around here that links to a blog entry about it...appears to be a web-based OS that's running on a Linux kernel of somekind... I don't know... it could quite possibly be the biggest, most spectacular failure since "BOB"... or at least since "Clippy"...

-tg

**Nightwalker83** · Jul 8th, 2009, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by techgnome

There's another thread around here that links to a blog entry about it...appears to be a web-based OS that's running on a Linux kernel of somekind... I don't know... it could quite possibly be the biggest, most spectacular failure since "BOB"... or at least since "Clippy"...

-tg

It appears as if it's going more of a web browser rather than an operating system. However, where have Google been hiding? Don't they realize that Linux can be downloaded and can be used without it needing to be installed?

Maybe we could merge both thread together since they are both talking about the OS that Google are thinking of releasing.

Edit:

I have included the link to the blog about the Google Chrome OS in the first post! Thanks, to kregg for posting it in his chit-chat about thread the operating system.

**agmorgan** · Jul 9th, 2009, 12:06 PM

Not everyone thinks its the bees knees!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07..._chrome_redux/

**techgnome** · Jul 9th, 2009, 12:35 PM

hehehehe.... I think I'd have to agree with El Reg there... hehehehe....

-tg

**Davadvice** · Jul 10th, 2009, 09:29 AM

TBH,

Goggle have produced arguably to best Search engine, and have succeeded in this area far more than any of the competition.

if they offer an OS that is cheap does not tie you in to selling off your kids if they deem it to be in the interest of you using a PC then I hope the succeed in this venture.

What viable alternative is there to Windows to the basic user ? I have dabbled with Linux and would say it is too much work for the average Joe who only want to go online and perv, bank, shop, and sign up to pron sites with an email account.

Windows breaks the bank and the licence terms are just crazy. Apply need a new computer. so a free or cheap alternative can only be a good thing

it would be good for MS to get some real competition.

**GaryMazzone** · Jul 10th, 2009, 09:48 AM

But it's just a striped down Lunix with Crome browser (at least from what I read). So we are back to the Internet is the computer you need nothing locally right?

**leinad31** · Jul 10th, 2009, 11:47 AM

Its for subnotebooks and the market niche is very real... even with XP home the OS is sluggish hence the linux advantage as OS in terms of performance on intel atom. Google can also bundle applications out of the box, e.g. open office, chrome, etc. The real challenge would be to make these applications easy to setup/use/learn for a user that has already been used to using applications typically bundled with MS. Once the learning curve problem is out of the way then the price advantage of bundling open source OS and applications will reduce microsoft's presence in the subnotebook market. After all... do you really need all the features (and the CPU consumption) of MS products when all you gonna do is surf, chat, blog, write simple docs using your subnotebook?

**techgnome** · Jul 10th, 2009, 11:54 AM

no, BUT, when I do need those items, I shouldn't be held hostage to my ability to get an internet connection to use them.

At least with local OS installs, when I install an app, I can use it even if I'm not connected to the internet. Not everyone has a high speed connection. At least with Windows, (and Linux, OSX, and others) if some thing happens to the connection, I haven't lost any thing.

-tg

**leinad31** · Jul 10th, 2009, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by techgnome

no, BUT, when I do need those items, I shouldn't be held hostage to my ability to get an internet connection to use them.

At least with local OS installs, when I install an app, I can use it even if I'm not connected to the internet. Not everyone has a high speed connection. At least with Windows, (and Linux, OSX, and others) if some thing happens to the connection, I haven't lost any thing.

-tg

I may be wrong but I don't think Google will make such a blatant mistake in creating an alternative OS. It would be like exerting lots of money/effort on marketing hype to sell a solar powered car that needs desert strong sunlight to run, hardly anyone would want to use nor buy such a product if they can only use it when they are in the middle of the desert during the day.

**techgnome** · Jul 10th, 2009, 12:20 PM

oh? You don't?

Originally Posted by from the linked blog

For application developers, the web is the platform. All web-based applications will automatically work and new applications can be written using your favorite web technologies. And of course, these apps will run not only on Google Chrome OS, but on any standards-based browser on Windows, Mac and Linux thereby giving developers the largest user base of any platform.

Seems pretty straight forward and obvious.... they've taken the "Browser is the window to the world" idea and moved it a little further out there....

-tg

**Nightwalker83** · Jul 10th, 2009, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by GaryMazzone

But it's just a striped down Lunix with Crome browser (at least from what I read). So we are back to the Internet is the computer you need nothing locally right?

I heard somewhere (can't remember where) that we are moving more and more to a web based system and that desktop applications are going out of fashion.

Originally Posted by leinad31

I may be wrong but I don't think Google will make such a blatant mistake in creating an alternative OS. It would be like exerting lots of money/effort on marketing hype to sell a solar powered car that needs desert strong sunlight to run, hardly anyone would want to use nor buy such a product if they can only use it when they are in the middle of the desert during the day.

The Chrome browser is nothing! It doesn't appear to support the basic short cut functions nor does it allow easy access to javascript. I wonder what functionality Google will leave out of their Chrome browser? Maybe security or a registry.

**techgnome** · Jul 10th, 2009, 10:07 PM

"I heard somewhere (can't remember where) that we are moving more and more to a web based system and that desktop applications are going out of fashion." << I've been hearing that for 10+ years now... still hasn't happened... What I think will happen is that you will see SOME apps go that way (SOA anyone? AaS?) but I don't think EVERYTHING will go that way... there are too many mission critical apps out there to risk it over the internet.

-tg

**Nightwalker83** · Jul 10th, 2009, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by techgnome

I've been hearing that for 10+ years now... still hasn't happened... What I think will happen is that you will see SOME apps go that way (SOA anyone? AaS?) but I don't think EVERYTHING will go that way... there are too many mission critical apps out there to risk it over the internet.

-tg

Yeah, I can see the smaller portable type applications moving on to the internet but the applications dealing with confidential data and alike would be risky.

**RhinoBull** · Jul 11th, 2009, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Davadvice

if they offer an OS that is cheap does not tie you in to selling off your kids if they deem it to be in the interest of you using a PC then I hope the succeed in this venture...

Can you please refrase that - I have difficulties to understand it.

Originally Posted by Davadvice

Windows breaks the bank and the licence terms are just crazy...

Do you know how much it cost to build?

Originally Posted by Davadvice

...so a free or cheap alternative can only be a good thing ...

I never knew that cheap "can only be a good thing".

Originally Posted by Davadvice

it would be good for MS to get some real competition.

Unlikely and just thinking that it isn't makes me feel real good.

**Nightwalker83** · Jul 11th, 2009, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by RhinoBull

Unlikely and just thinking that it isn't makes me feel real good.

However, Microsoft can't be expected to do everything 100% For example their programming software such as the .net language programs, office, and a few others are good. However, when it comes to the internet I think it should left up to a company (ies) to build products for a web development point of view. The Microsoft products in that regard have been really lagging behind the rest.

**leinad31** · Jul 12th, 2009, 12:28 AM

The OS is not for us technically inclined. In the first place you wouldn't invest in an Atom processor when dual core is what you need on a daily basis. It is intended for another market entirely - it will definitely fall short of all our benchmarks and use cases.

Make an apples to apples comparison.

**Nightwalker83** · Jul 12th, 2009, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by leinad31

The OS is not for us technically inclined. In the first place you wouldn't invest in an Atom processor when dual core is what you need on a daily basis. It is intended for another market entirely - it will definitely fall short of all our benchmarks and use cases.

Make an apples to apples comparison.

Was that directed at me? If so which part of my post are you referring to?

**leinad31** · Jul 12th, 2009, 12:42 AM

Nope no one in particular... it was the common theme of the thread. Consider this... such devices would normally not be supported by network/system admins since it is a security risk (XP home not professional), ergo it is more of for personnal use, hence business related use case arguments are not an apples to apples comparison.

It is for the typical Joe/Jane that likes to hang out at Starbucks and check on their facebook account. That's the market Google is targeting, not businesses nor those technically inclined.

**RhinoBull** · Jul 12th, 2009, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Nightwalker83

...However, when it comes to the internet I think it should left up to a company (ies) to build products for a web development point of view. The Microsoft products in that regard have been really lagging behind the rest.

Sorry but I find your remarks amusing.
These days we are evaluating all of our web based applications whether it's built in house or by some extrnal vendor just to make sure every page is loaded and renders properly in every major webbrowser.
Browsers in scope are IE7/8, Firefox, Safari, Chrome (we left Opera out).
Guess what, IE7/8 so far are the big winners and no browser is even close (I cannot emphasize how many issues we found with Firefox, Safari and especially Chrome).
I would agree that FF is faster but I don't care if takes an extra second to load some page as long as page loads and renders correctly.
Since IE4 I am one very happy IE user.

**Nightwalker83** · Jul 12th, 2009, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by RhinoBull

Sorry but I find your remarks amusing.

Sorry, I wasn't talking about browsers but the web design software such as Dream Weaver, etc. Still, while Microsoft seem to be the when creating internet browsers their documentation on how to use some of the features could be better!

**RhinoBull** · Jul 13th, 2009, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Nightwalker83

Still, while Microsoft seem to be the when creating internet browsers their documentation on how to use some of the features could be better!

What?! Microsoft is the only major SW company that maitains a dedicated documentation website (msdn).
It's huge and has practically everything documented for every product they've ever produced (not only recent btw). Navigation could be simpler, though...
Some other major SW companies like SAP also have similar support sites but those are very useless as you cannot find a damn thing and if you are lucky to find it content wouldn't be much helpful.
How could you (or anyone els) possibly say something like that remains a mystery to me.

Why do people try to put a lot of dirt on MS while being their customers?
What is wrong with being a giant SW house?
I like their products and am tired of reading and listening all the complaints about it. MS products are one of the most logically designed and very user friendly. Whether they miss on some features isn't much relevant, really.
If someone hates them so much then simply switch to Linux, Mac, DOS but stop complaining.
MS is the best SW house there is, period. Chrome OS? I don't see it getting out of pampers.

**leinad31** · Jul 13th, 2009, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by RhinoBull

What?! Microsoft is the only major SW company that maitains a dedicated documentation website (msdn).
It's huge and has practically everything documented for every product they've ever produced (not only recent btw). Navigation could be simpler, though...
Some other major SW companies like SAP also have similar support sites but those are very useless as you cannot find a damn thing and if you are lucky to find it content wouldn't be much helpful.
How could you (or anyone els) possibly say something like that remains a mystery to me.

Why do people try to put a lot of dirt on MS while being their customers?
What is wrong with being a giant SW house?
I like their products and am tired of reading and listening all the complaints about it. MS products are one of the most logically designed and very user friendly. Whether they miss on some features isn't much relevant, really.
If someone hates them so much then simply switch to Linux, Mac, DOS but stop complaining.
MS is the best SW house there is, period. Chrome OS? I don't see it getting out of pampers.

Their documentation is too verbose, could have been to the point... probably because it has marketing related text/hints every other section if not every other paragraph.

There are MS products described as "logically designed" which happened to be intended to steal the thunder of an existing application that is doing very well in the market and was already designed/developed by someone else. So saying MS is the best designer is simply being more than just a reasonable/sensible advocate.

As to Google OS... who knows... MS might end up copying yet another product made successful by someone else.

**Nightwalker83** · Jul 13th, 2009, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by RhinoBull

What?! Microsoft is the only major SW company that maitains a dedicated documentation website (msdn).
It's huge and has practically everything documented for every product they've ever produced (not only recent btw). Navigation could be simpler, though...
Some other major SW companies like SAP also have similar support sites but those are very useless as you cannot find a damn thing and if you are lucky to find it content wouldn't be much helpful.
How could you (or anyone els) possibly say something like that remains a mystery to me.

Get down off your high horse! Like I said above Microsoft aren't the best at everything. I agree with what leinad31 is saying.

Why do people try to put a lot of dirt on MS while being their customers?
What is wrong with being a giant SW house?

Nothing is wrong with a big giant software house there just needs to be more competition. No one (it this thread at least) is saying Microsoft suck I'm just saying that from my experience with some Microsoft web development tools (not programming) that they really need to improve. I have noticed that Front page, etc which Microsoft market for web design lack most of the features that companies such as Adobe include in programs like Dream Weaver. I'm NOT having a general go at Microsoft.

**RhinoBull** · Jul 13th, 2009, 08:43 PM

Frontpage is long gone... Are you aware of Microsoft® Expression® Studio?

**Nightwalker83** · Jul 13th, 2009, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by RhinoBull

Frontpage is long gone... Are you aware of Microsoft® Expression® Studio?

Ah, yes! Forgot it was a different piece of software. However, a couple of years ago when I tried MES it lacked the same functions as Dream Weaver and I wrote a report comparing both MES and Dream Weaver. Although, Microsoft may have upgraded MES since I last used it but I still prefer Adobe because the extra features and programs.

**kleinma** · Jul 13th, 2009, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Nightwalker83

Get down off your high horse! Like I said above Microsoft aren't the best at everything. I agree with what leinad31 is saying.

Nothing is wrong with a big giant software house there just needs to be more competition. No one (it this thread at least) is saying Microsoft suck I'm just saying that from my experience with some Microsoft web development tools (not programming) that they really need to improve. I have noticed that Front page, etc which Microsoft market for web design lack most of the features that companies such as Adobe include in programs like Dream Weaver. I'm NOT having a general go at Microsoft.

Adobe hasn't done much to dreamweaver except buy it and put their name on it where Macromedia's was...

As far as Microsoft's offerings for web development, based on you assessment, I guess you haven't looked in some time huh?

**Nightwalker83** · Jul 14th, 2009, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by kleinma

Adobe hasn't done much to dreamweaver except buy it and put their name on it where Macromedia's was...

Yes, that is true!

As far as Microsoft's offerings for web development, based on you assessment, I guess you haven't looked in some time huh?

No, I haven't looked at the Microsoft web design tools since I wrote the report mentioned above. However, I was thinking of downloading Virtual Web Developer and seeing what it is like.

Edit:

I'm downloading VWD now!

Edit II:

Damn! It appears I downloaded it for no reason because it deals with the programming aspect of the web rather than the design part. While, I am interested in the coing part I have no background in coding which is strange because I am more into the coding aspect of websites rather than the design part.

**kleinma** · Jul 14th, 2009, 08:53 AM

VWD is really aimed at developers. You probably would be more interested in this

http://www.microsoft.com/expression/..._Overview.aspx

**Nightwalker83** · Jul 14th, 2009, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by kleinma

VWD is really aimed at developers. You probably would be more interested in this

Thanks! I noticed that the only real difference between the current version of MEW and Adobe products is expression web has the .Net components as well as AJax whereas Adobe Dream Weaver has normal asp but Adobe also have Flash.

I guess we should get back on to talking about Chrome now!

**KiwiDexter** · Jul 15th, 2009, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by techgnome

"I heard somewhere (can't remember where) that we are moving more and more to a web based system and that desktop applications are going out of fashion." << I've been hearing that for 10+ years now... still hasn't happened... What I think will happen is that you will see SOME apps go that way (SOA anyone? AaS?) but I don't think EVERYTHING will go that way... there are too many mission critical apps out there to risk it over the internet.

-tg

Exactly so tg, surprisingly a lot of computer hardware isn't hooked to the net due to mission critical information etc. Currently working with a client who keep their R&D systems completely separate from any sort of web connection.

As usual a lot of bollocks being pushed by various tech companies and management consultants with only one in every ten ideas ever having the chance to fail.

<<Sits back with popcorn and waits the epic failure of chrome OS>>

**Lord Orwell** · Jul 15th, 2009, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by leinad31

Its for subnotebooks and the market niche is very real... even with XP home the OS is sluggish hence the linux advantage as OS in terms of performance on intel atom. Google can also bundle applications out of the box, e.g. open office, chrome, etc. The real challenge would be to make these applications easy to setup/use/learn for a user that has already been used to using applications typically bundled with MS. Once the learning curve problem is out of the way then the price advantage of bundling open source OS and applications will reduce microsoft's presence in the subnotebook market. After all... do you really need all the features (and the CPU consumption) of MS products when all you gonna do is surf, chat, blog, write simple docs using your subnotebook?

my cell phone does all of that, rendering a subnotebook obsolete. And it's not a smartphone.

Originally Posted by Nightwalker83

However, Microsoft can't be expected to do everything 100% For example their programming software such as the .net language programs, office, and a few others are good. However, when it comes to the internet I think it should left up to a company (ies) to build products for a web development point of view. The Microsoft products in that regard have been really lagging behind the rest.

microsoft is the company that wanted to do it all 100%, including run other companies (such as mozilla) out of business.

Originally Posted by leinad31

The OS is not for us technically inclined. In the first place you wouldn't invest in an Atom processor when dual core is what you need on a daily basis. It is intended for another market entirely - it will definitely fall short of all our benchmarks and use cases.
The atom is dual-core. It consists (in most of the computers) as two 800mhz cores.
Make an apples to apples comparison.

Originally Posted by leinad31

Nope no one in particular... it was the common theme of the thread. Consider this... such devices would normally not be supported by network/system admins since it is a security risk (XP home not professional), ergo it is more of for personnal use, hence business related use case arguments are not an apples to apples comparison.

It is for the typical Joe/Jane that likes to hang out at Starbucks and check on their facebook account. That's the market Google is targeting, not businesses nor those technically inclined.

businesses would love it. They have always leaned towards a setup where all apps were on a single system and you connected with dumb terminals. This is only a step up from that.

Originally Posted by KiwiDexter

Exactly so tg, surprisingly a lot of computer hardware isn't hooked to the net due to mission critical information etc. Currently working with a client who keep their R&D systems completely separate from any sort of web connection.

As usual a lot of bollocks being pushed by various tech companies and management consultants with only one in every ten ideas ever having the chance to fail.

<<Sits back with popcorn and waits the epic failure of chrome OS>>

wondering when they changed their name. They were beta testing "google os" a while ago, and talks i have heard indicated that android would be making the migration to home systems.

**Nightwalker83** · Jul 15th, 2009, 01:57 AM