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    (a) Find the number of arrangements of the letters in the word ANGLES if (i) there is no restriction.& (ii) the vowels must be separated.

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    Re: Permutations & Combinations

    Without restriction it's 6! = 720

    If the 2 vowels must be separated, then it's 720 minus the number of cases where the vowels are NOT separated. The latter are very few and can be sketched out as:

    AE---
    EA---
    -AE--
    -EA--
    --AE-
    --EA-
    ---EA
    ---EA

    where - represents any other letter.

    So, its 720 - 8 = 712
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    Re: Permutations & Combinations

    There are many more than 8 permutations where the vowels are not separated:
    AENGLS
    AENGSL
    AENLGS
    etc...

    Taking the vowels together as a single 'character', we find 5! = 120 permutations without regarding the order of the vowels. Since there are 2 permutations of the vowels, the total number of permutations where the vowels are not separated is 240. Thus, the vowels are separated in 480 of the 720 permutations.

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    Re: Permutations & Combinations

    Thanks guys! I understood the question!
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    Re: [RESOLVED] Permutations & Combinations

    Wait! SO that means, everytime when we are doing the above type of questions or anything that has to do with permutations & combinations question, we have to think of grouping like-terms together (eg. in this case, we group the 'vowels' together) right?

    Thanks again.
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    Re: Permutations & Combinations

    Quote Originally Posted by Logophobic
    There are many more than 8 permutations where the vowels are not separated:
    AENGLS
    AENGSL
    AENLGS
    etc...

    Taking the vowels together as a single 'character', we find 5! = 120 permutations without regarding the order of the vowels. Since there are 2 permutations of the vowels, the total number of permutations where the vowels are not separated is 240. Thus, the vowels are separated in 480 of the 720 permutations.
    Oh my, I forgot about the permutations of the other 3 characters when the 2 vowels are together... Good for you!

    Yunie, sorry if I misled you.
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    Re: [RESOLVED] Permutations & Combinations

    Quote Originally Posted by Yunie
    Wait! SO that means, everytime when we are doing the above type of questions or anything that has to do with permutations & combinations question, we have to think of grouping like-terms together (eg. in this case, we group the 'vowels' together) right?

    Thanks again.
    Aside from the fact that I had overlooked those other cases, Logophobic's logic is more like what you should do. This type of problems should not be solved by writing down all possible cases -usually there are so many you can't anyway. But sometimes it helps understand the problem.
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    Re: [RESOLVED] Permutations & Combinations

    I got it, thanks krtxmrtz!
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