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    taylor series/n-th derivative ahh!

    Hello everyone!
    i'm having probems figuring these 2 problems out: The first one is a taylor series and hte 2nd one is wanting me to find the nth-derivative of f when, f(x) = 4*ln(4*x+2);

    It says, first find the A and so that
    Code:
    21+9x             A                B
    --------   = -----------   +  -----------
    7 + x          7+x              7+x
    so i found the A = 2, and B = 9,
    So i have

    21+9x
    --------
    7+x

    and it says, then use this to determine the Taylor Series for
    21+9x
    -------
    7+x


    the options i have are:
    E stands for sumnation

    A. (3-6)*[E k=1 to infinity (-1)^k-1 (x^k)/(7^k)]
    B. (3+6)*[E k=1 to infinity (-1)^k-1 (x^k)(7^k)]
    C. 6*[E k = 1 to infinity (-1)^k-1 (x^k)/(7^k)]
    D. (3+6)*[E k=1 to infinity (-1)^k-1 (x^k)/(7^k)]
    E. (3+6)*[E k = 1 to infinity (x^k)/(7^k)]

    and the 2nd one:
    find the nth-derivative of f when f(x) = 4*ln(4*x +2);
    What am i suppose to do here exactly? I have maple and I tried to do a taylor series problem and it looks nothing like the choices i have.

    Thanks!

    I was taught basic taylor series, this is why i have no idea on what they even want, I was never shown how to figure out the series itself, just evaluating it
    Last edited by voidflux; Apr 1st, 2004 at 11:23 AM.
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    For the second one:

    4*ln(u) 'For simplicity, u = 4x + 2

    1st derivative:
    4*u'/u = 16*u-1

    2nd derivative:
    Power rule: (axn)' = anxn-1 so
    -16*u-2

    3rd derivative:
    32*u-3

    So:

    nth derivative:
    16*((n-1)!)*(-1)n+1/un

    Resubstituting 4x + 2 for u:
    16*((n-1)!)*(-1)n+1/(4x+2)n

    16(n-1)! * -1n+1
    ----------------
    (4x+2)n
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    Hey thanks for the reply, my choices for the 2nd one are:
    Code:
    A.  (n-1)! (4)(4^n)
            ---------------
               (4x+2)^n
    
    B.  (-1)^(n-1)  (n!)(4)(4^n)
            --------------------------
               (4x+2)^n
    
    C.  (-1)^(n-1)  (n-1!)(4)(4^n)
            -----------------------------
               (4x+2)^n
    
    D.  (-1)^(n-1)  (n-1!)(4)
            -----------------------------
               (4x+2)^n

    I used ur method and i got the same answer as you but i don't see it listed,
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    Whoops; I forgot about chain-ruling it with that constant;

    4*ln(4x+2)

    1st derivative:
    4*4/(4x+2) = 16*(4x+2)-1

    2nd derivative:
    Power rule: (aun)' = anu'un-1 so
    4*4*-1*4*u-2 = -64*u-2

    3rd derivative:
    4*4*4*-1*-2*u-3 = 128*u-3

    So:

    nth derivative:
    4*(n-1)!*(-1)n+1*(u')n/un

    Resubstituting 4x + 2 for u:
    4*(n-1)!*(-1)n+1*4n/(4x+2)n


    So all that for C.


    Note: I edited this late at night, so, while the conclusion is correct, the actual steps might have some flaws.
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    Thanks alot!
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