I love My College

**The Hobo** · Sep 5th, 2003, 01:22 PM

I just got Windows XP Professional for $9.65 ($5.15 + shipping) and Visual Studio .Net 2003 Professional for $14.40 ($11.80 + shipping) through the MSDN Academic Alliance.

Granted, I can't sell any programs I make with it, and I can't update it after I leave the school...but that's pretty nice.

**rdove** · Sep 5th, 2003, 08:12 PM

Actually..if I rememeber the license agreement correctly, not only can you not update it after you leave school, you must uninstall the software as well.

**Kasracer** · Sep 5th, 2003, 09:50 PM

I got Windows XP Pro and VS .NET 2003 for $0.00

I'm cooler

**dogfish227** · Sep 5th, 2003, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by kasracer
I got Windows XP Pro and VS .NET 2003 for $0.00

I'm cooler

yes but the hobo doesnt have to worry about the MS thugs coming up to his front door

**The Hobo** · Sep 5th, 2003, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by rdove
Actually..if I rememeber the license agreement correctly, not only can you not update it after you leave school, you must uninstall the software as well.

Nope. I'm free to keep it as long as I want. I just can't sell any software I make and I can't update it after I leave school.

Which is cool with me. I just want to learn the languages.

And, kasracer, I'm not in to pirating software. If you are, good for you.

**Kasracer** · Sep 6th, 2003, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by The Hobo
And, kasracer, I'm not in to pirating software. If you are, good for you.

Who said it was pirated software?

**The Hobo** · Sep 6th, 2003, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by kasracer
Who said it was pirated software?

I suppose my assuming human nature did.

**BuggyProgrammer** · Sep 6th, 2003, 02:13 PM

some schools have this thing with microsoft that allows them to download a lot of software for FREE. XP too.

**The Hobo** · Sep 6th, 2003, 02:20 PM

Originally posted by BuggyProgrammer
some schools have this thing with microsoft that allows them to download a lot of software for FREE. XP too.

I think that's what my school has. However, the school has to provide the server space and bandwidth for the downloads. And my school doesn't have that kind of resources.

So all we can do is order the CDs.

**DevGrp** · Sep 7th, 2003, 08:06 AM

If you want to know is you school is a part of the MSDN Academic Alliance you can check here http://www.msdnaa.net. If it is, you can just go to you CS department and ask for an id to all the programs they offer.

Everyone in college should take advantage of this.

**The Hobo** · Sep 7th, 2003, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by DevGrp
If you want to know is you school is a part of the MSDN Academic Alliance you can check here http://www.msdnaa.net. If it is, you can just go to you CS department and ask for an id to all the programs they offer.

Everyone in college should take advantage of this.

Unless it's a rule my college made themselves, then you have to be part of a program or class that requires the software. Ie, if you're an art student and not talking any computer classes, you can't have the software.

Again, it may be just a rule my college made up. Thought it was worth bringing to attention, though.

**Arc** · Sep 8th, 2003, 12:04 AM

You can buy all this academic software on Ebay for just a few more dollars.

**The Hobo** · Sep 8th, 2003, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by Arc
You can buy all this academic software on Ebay for just a few more dollars.

They are not the academic version. Read my initial post.

**Arc** · Sep 8th, 2003, 07:18 PM

Your original post says you bought it through the Academic Alliance and you can't sell any programs I make with it, and I can't update it after I leave the school...

That sounds like Academic Software to me

If it's not Academic Software then what is to stop you from Selling programs you make with it and what is to stop you from Updating it?? You can't Update it because it is Marked as Academic Software....

**The Hobo** · Sep 8th, 2003, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by Arc
Your original post says you bought it through the Academic Alliance and you can't sell any programs I make with it, and I can't update it after I leave the school...

That sounds like Academic Software to me

If it's not Academic Software then what is to stop you from Selling programs you make with it and what is to stop you from Updating it?? You can't Update it because it is Marked as Academic Software....

Fine, you made your point in an asinine manner, and I regress.

But regardless, you can not buy it on eBay for that low. Must go for $53-70. That's a far cry from $15. Especially for poor college students.

**DevGrp** · Sep 8th, 2003, 08:24 PM

Well they really are'nt academic versions. VS.NET academic is just VS.NET Pro with some extra tools which can be downloaded at http://www.msdnaa.net. So it is possible to download these tools and install them and call any version of VS.NET the academic version

So, there are'nt really any academic software from MS. They are just branded that way with a different liscene agreement to be sold to students. Also, you can download all these software from most school's website providing you have an account from the school.

**Arc** · Sep 8th, 2003, 10:34 PM

Well what makes it Academic, is more than just the "Academic" label on the box. It's the fact that you can’t upgrade it and you aren’t supposed to sell anything you make with it. If You made something that was selling like hotcakes and Microsoft wanted to they could check your exe and see if it was made with Academic Software and then sue you. SO I don’t see how you can say there "Isn't an Academic Version".

But other then that it is just like the regular version, and that is what I use. I got mine from E-bay for $25. VS.Net full with Academic extras.

It is really cool that MS offers that.

And Hobo I wasn't intent on being asinine, I was merely surprised by your response to my original post

**The Hobo** · Sep 8th, 2003, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by Arc
Well what makes it Academic, is more than just the "Academic" label on the box. It's the fact that you can’t upgrade it and you aren’t supposed to sell anything you make with it. If You made something that was selling like hotcakes and Microsoft wanted to they could check your exe and see if it was made with Academic Software and then sue you. SO I don’t see how you can say there "Isn't an Academic Version".

I just assumed there was a difference. I saw some on ebay that had the "Academic" label on the box, and since when I ordered, I saw "Professional" and not "Academic", I thought I was getting something...special.

But I can understand what you're getting at, and agree with it. I was just confused by the wording.

Which brings up the question: what can I do with my copy of XP? What if I purchase a copy of VS.NET, and sell apps with it?

Although I own that VS.NET under a different, regular agreement, can I sell the software if I'm creating it with on the XP they provided me, or is that a no-no?

Originally posted by Arc
And Hobo I wasn't intent on being asinine, I was merely surprised by your response to my original post

And I wasn't trying to be rude in my post, just refering you back (because of my confusion). I just took the eye rolling offensively.

No harm done.

**DevGrp** · Sep 8th, 2003, 11:56 PM

Ah, I dont think there is a difference between the bits so I do think there is a way for MS to check your exe and tell that it was written with the academic version. As I said earlier, the only difference is the liscene agreement which states that you cant update it after you leave school and you are not suppose to sell any programs written with.
Thats just like a ton of free software or components that says you should only use it for non-profit, but many people use then for profit anyway. I dont think MS is going to go around checking programs to see if they were compile with academic versions of their software. That would be a waste of time.

Also the program is still updatable when you leave school, but according to the liscene agreement you are not allowed to do it. But who is gonna follow that anyway? I know I would'nt.

**Sastraxi** · Sep 9th, 2003, 08:14 PM

Bloody Microsoft

Why can't they just make software free like everyone else

Pffffft.

**Arc** · Sep 9th, 2003, 09:43 PM

Well that' true Dev, I seriously doubt MS is gong to be checking anyones exe's Unless ofcourse you made a big time app that was, as I said, selling like hotcakes. So there's not much to worry about there.

But as far as the upgrade goes, you can't Upgrade the software. It's not just a licensing thing, the software won't upgrade even if you try. There is more to it than just a license, it really is a different version of the software.

**The Hobo** · Sep 9th, 2003, 09:49 PM

I remember hearing something about having to register XP online with Microsoft before you could do much with it or something...been awhile. Is that true?

If so, they probably determine right there, with your serial number and registration, whether or not you can update. And when you update, they possibly check that information?

Could that be the case? Or something similiar?

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