Post election prediction

[sapator]

The checkers where mostly for Facebook and Instagram YouTube and then it was Twitter, that was what people on Greece where using, that I believe was as big as those mentioned the others maybe in US (we chat? First itme ever heard and some more). So I really don't see what's your point. Are you protesting that I also mentioned X?
Anyhow stucking with why I thanked them rather than what is going on here probably won't give much to go on about so ,yeah. Gotta sleep we are migrating servers tomorrow,so I have ... Gosh! 6 hours of sleep! I'm off! I'll make sure to thank Bill for not letting us keep the migrations on the same versions, to get even.

[wes4dbt]

So I really don't see what's your point. Are you protesting that I also mentioned X?

I haven't been protesting anything. I was asking a straight forward question. Which you can't seem to understand. You can thank Trump and Musk for that too.

[dilettante]

Things are so bad that even the far left is going after corporate leftism:

[TysonLPrice]

You get 500K and it's a big deal. The US can get 500K to show up for a monster truck rally. For China or India, 500K is just Friday. It's a matter of scale.

Politics aside, fentanyl is a real issue. That's killing a LOT of people in the US. It's just frustrating that everybody tries the same things that has been failing for decades. This is so tired that it was the butt of jokes decades ago. By now, it's not even worth joking about. Going after the supply side has never done anything useful in this arena. Anybody who wants drugs can get drugs, of pretty nearly any kinds, and probably for about the same price....though that would be an interesting factor to track.

In fact, we DO track the price of some drugs, and the impact that has on consumption. We track it for tobacco products, and some vectors for caffeine, a pair of legal drugs. From that, we have a fair idea of what kind of price increase would be required to drive what kind of reduction in use. I have a feeling that we have never gotten close to the necessary price increases when it comes to illegal drugs, despite spending billions in interdiction and suppression at the source. Why does anybody think that Mexico, Canada, or anybody else, could do better?

Trump spooked. Whether it was because of hair on fire media stories or just because every single economist said it would be really bad, it doesn't matter. The ask was never going to solve the problem it was meant to address. I'd like to see Trump solve that problem, but if that's his idea of a solution....guess we'll see what the next person comes up with, since the problem will still be there.

It seems fentanyl is a problem of our own doing. Congress passed laws that created an opioid crisis in the country and made the pharmacies richer. Then they turned off the spigot creating another crisis. Fentanyl filled the gap. Pretty simple math...

[FunkyDexter]

wouldn't say it has tanked.

I didn't say had tanked. I said has been tanking. I.e. "is still in the process of tanking"

The egg prices

Prices coming down on day 1, remember. That was the promise. He doesn't get to back track it to "some prices... you know, the easy ones". To be honest, though, I wanted to show the Consumer Price Index which, all the signs indicate, will show exactly the same story. But, unfortunately, it's not published until later this month. Also, I figured eggs would provide a jumping off point for bad puns.

Well I doubt the answer is more US taxpayer funded DEI musicals in Ireland.

What on earth are you talking about?

[Shaggy Hiker]

Ehh we are 10 mil in Greece and the biggest protest we usually get is a couple of thousand. You are actually comparing US size to Greece size. Or this is one of the infamous Shaggy jokes?

Good thing tho you answer all of my questions in the previous post (not you, you actually get out , hike and protest to the squirrels)

The squirrels are agitated enough already. We have some mighty activist squirrels in this valley. I assume it's because we have an excellent greenbelt walkway along the river, and lots of the people who use it bring things for the squirrels. If you even look at them wrong, they'll be all over you.

However, you are right, I was comparing population sizes. A huge protest is a huge protest, but the number of people that count as a huge protest is different in different places. I think of places like LA as big, but there are cities out there where turning out 500K means fewer people than would normally be on the streets.

[Shaggy Hiker]

It seems fentanyl is a problem of our own doing. Congress passed laws that created an opioid crisis in the country and made the pharmacies richer. Then they turned off the spigot creating another crisis. Fentanyl filled the gap. Pretty simple math...

We might have kickstarted it, but fentanyl is a growing issue in lots of countries where Congress had no impact. The bottom line is that it's a powerful synthetic drug. We've clearly demonstrated that going after the supply doesn't have any real impact on botanical sourced drugs. Thinking that we'd do better going after the supply for a drug that can be synthesized is pretty much insane. Any solution has to be on the demand side, and that costs money that nobody is willing to put forward.

[TysonLPrice]

We might have kickstarted it, but fentanyl is a growing issue in lots of countries where Congress had no impact. The bottom line is that it's a powerful synthetic drug. We've clearly demonstrated that going after the supply doesn't have any real impact on botanical sourced drugs. Thinking that we'd do better going after the supply for a drug that can be synthesized is pretty much insane. Any solution has to be on the demand side, and that costs money that nobody is willing to put forward.

The U.S. Tops the list for abuse though. And it helped to have such a large population of people already abusing opioids. Congress passed laws allowing for massive abuse, then pulled the plug, where else were they to go?

[sapator]

Argentina says it will pull out of World Health Organization
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/05/a...ntl/index.html

Fascists, right wingers and loons.

On the fun side , have you ever done a big corporation 1/20th server switch? I just got home started and ended roughly after 9 hours. I hope I don't have to go through it again in the near future, also time flied so fast that when I left I felt like I was only an hour in.

[dilettante]

What on earth are you talking about?

It must be nice when you selectively ignore news:

'These Are Some Of The Insane Priorities' USAID Has Funded: Karoline Leavitt

[FunkyDexter]

OK. Watched the video and I'm none the wiser but allow me to rephrase my question. What on earth is she talking about?

The most I can find is that the US gave $70K (so, yeah, practically your national deficit, right there) to a Irish company but there's no documentation on what for or whether that was even what she was talking about.

[dilettante]

Maybe you should redirect your efforts to those grooming gangs you have over there?

[TysonLPrice]

Maybe you should redirect your efforts to those grooming gangs you have over there?

Do you human hair dressers or dog groomers? They tend to gather together. What is a gang? One = One plus One until it is a gang?

[Shaggy Hiker]

Dil is playing "buzzword bingo", the hyperbolic version, at that.

[FunkyDexter]

Indeed. @Dil, Why was that at all relevant to the point you were making?

My theory: it had started to dawn on you that a government agency (whose mission statement as amended by Trump to remove reference to poverty and include promoting "inclusive growth" abroad) donating a trivial amount to a foreign organisation (which, among many other activities, happened to put on a musical about inclusivity) and declaring that donation on it's publicly available web site might not actually represent the jaw dropping scandal you were aiming for. With that in mind you decided to deflect because your face can only cope with so much omelette... probably due to the cost of eggs.

Hint: what you've heard about the grooming gangs is almost certainly a gross misrepresentation because there was a massive amount of politically motivated misinformation thrown out about it by the right and the far right. We can have that conversation if you like but it's not going to help you make your case about USAID.

[sapator]

I haven't really paid attention about grooming dogs and right wing loons but again the ultimate test would be if the income will go up or down.
And that is a privilege of US people to tell us.

[wes4dbt]

I haven't really paid attention about grooming dogs and right wing loons but again the ultimate test would be if the income will go up or down.
And that is a privilege of US people to tell us.

That's only true for those who believe their personal income is the most important aspect of life.

That philosophy ignores equality, the impoverished . Well, it completely ignore all humanitarian factors.

[Shaggy Hiker]

You sound like you understood that. I wasn't sure which country we were talking about, or whose income. If it is US income, it depends on income against inflation.

[wes4dbt]

You sound like you understood that. I wasn't sure which country we were talking about, or whose income. If it is US income, it depends on income against inflation.

I thought he was referring to another post where he said we should just "suck it up" and let him know when our income starts going down.

So, Yoga, breathing, good food and friends and suck it up for 4 years.
Also let me know when your income starts falling , tariffs barrifs clarifs , do you actually start losing income? That wold be a key factor.

[wes4dbt]

Indeed. @Dil, Why was that at all relevant to the point you were making?

My theory: it had started to dawn on you that a government agency (whose mission statement as amended by Trump to remove reference to poverty and include promoting "inclusive growth" abroad) donating a trivial amount to a foreign organisation (which, among many other activities, happened to put on a musical about inclusivity) and declaring that donation on it's publicly available web site might not actually represent the jaw dropping scandal you were aiming for. With that in mind you decided to deflect because your face can only cope with so much omelette... probably due to the cost of eggs.

Hint: what you've heard about the grooming gangs is almost certainly a gross misrepresentation because there was a massive amount of politically motivated misinformation thrown out about it by the right and the far right. We can have that conversation if you like but it's not going to help you make your case about USAID.

Misrepresentation and complete misinformation is so easily accepted by a significant segment of society. Some even seek it out because that's the only way they can justify their paranoia or delusional thoughts. Unfortunately there are plenty of people looking to exploit that. I'd say that is one of the negatives about the internet. It makes it much easier for these people to find people to affirm their beliefs.

What makes the situation worse is, currently people (not sure it's the majority, but at least the people in power) have been convinced that misinformation (I call them lies) is more acceptable than having fact checkers. Because of a fact checker bias.

[sapator]

I was referring to income taken in consideration that this will also provide for food refuge and heat and all the stuff that are important to lower income people. With a full belly you can thing of migration right wing loons and why Musk is helping Greece, be a keyboard warrior and Carol in the forums. Since you love stats https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ter-issues-us/ , Prices + Economy makes of 35% and impact lower fields. Of course other factors are important but what I was writing about is the main factor.

The last was a very interesting remark. So having forced fact checkers that you don't know and you blindly trust is more acceptable than people to have free speech no matter if they say wrong or right things. Interesting, very interesting mein herr .
Well, tough luck on the last one but maybe in 4 years...

[PlausiblyDamp]

The last was a very interesting remark. So having forced fact checkers that you don't know and you blindly trust is more acceptable than people to have free speech no matter if they say wrong or right things. Interesting, very interesting mein herr .
Well, tough luck on the last one but maybe in 4 years...

I really don't understand why you seem to be so happy that people in power can lie with impunity, love how you are now implying that people who want politicians and leaders to tell the truth are now nazis (or are you going to deny the "mein herr" quote was implying this?)

[wes4dbt]

I was referring to income taken in consideration that this will also provide for food refuge and heat and all the stuff that are important to lower income people.

Improving income doesn't help much if the all the aid to the very poor is cut off. It's not the "ultimate test" if the current government is making life better.

Since you love stats https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ter-issues-us

Don't know why you wanted me to see that. I've told you multiple times that the economy was the main factor in Trump being elected. I'm glad you finally agree. Whether or not the economy will get better or worse is still unknown. I will add, I don't think there was a major problem with the economy. Inflation was down, job market was strong and the stock market was strong.

Also, I think putting more money in our pockets doesn't justify cutting off aid to the starving people of the world.

So having forced fact checkers that you don't know and you blindly trust is more acceptable than people to have free speech no matter if they say wrong or right things. Interesting, very interesting mein herr .

No such claim was made. It's rarely wise to "blindly trust" anything, especially the media.

[wes4dbt]

I really don't understand why you seem to be so happy that people in power can lie with impunity

It's worse than that, it's lying with impunity for everyone. And the abuse and harm that accompanies it. I'm against that.

love how you are now implying that people who want politicians and leaders to tell the truth are now nazis

Everyone knows that Nazis where against lying.

[sapator]

First you said that claiming the economy only was unethical blaming me then you reversed it
Then you said that checker are above all the people that can freely write then you reversed it.
If I misunderstood then there is a language gap.
I wont comment plau , the Wokenes is hitting him hard.

[wes4dbt]

First you said that claiming the economy only was unethical blaming me then you reversed it
Then you said that checker are above all the people that can freely write then you reversed it.
If I misunderstood then there is a language gap.
I wont comment plau , the Wokenes is hitting him hard.

I don't know if you misunderstand or chose to misrepresent what I said. But I never said anything about being "unethical" or checkers being "above all".
But I wont comment.

[sapator]

OK. I blame it on the language barrier.

[TysonLPrice]

OK then...back to the fifties:

In a memo released Thursday, the Federal Highway Administration ordered states to halt a $5 billion program to build fast EV chargers on highways nationwide — an initiative that President Donald Trump cited as an example of the “Green New Deal.”

[sapator]

It's the e-bucket initiative. The climate change BS.
If Musk is not protesting that his interests are been allegedly hit then...
That has been covered extensively on a thread about alternative fuels. My point there was that since the is no solid Green solution then drilling for 100 years remains and find a solution in between cutting the climate change BS was a solution. Apparently Trump is reading my mail correspondence

[dilettante]

Ford to LOSE $5.5 BILLION on EVs as it reveals NEW powertrain!


Just let it go. The woke nonsense doesn't fly any more.


Trump Cancelled USAID That Was Funding The BBC! The Cope Is Real


Nobody is tolerating this propaganda any more.

[PlausiblyDamp]

Ford to LOSE $5.5 BILLION on EVs as it reveals NEW powertrain!


Just let it go. The woke nonsense doesn't fly any more.


Trump Cancelled USAID That Was Funding The BBC! The Cope Is Real


Nobody is tolerating this propaganda any more.

Have you ever considered that random youtube videos are not a source of truth? You seem to love posting utter nonsense from youtube as if somehow it is a convincing argument for whatever drivel you think is relevant...

Firstly, USAID didn't fund the BBC, the BBC is funded by licence payers in the UK.

BBC has a charity called Media Action, this is an international charity supporting free media around the world - it is NOT the BBC. The USA donated $2.6 million dollars to this charity, which made it the second largest donor, so this will impact the charity.

Couple of other points however... Have you considered how a person like Trump, who is quite frankly completely dishonest and lies about everything, might somehow not be a fan of the free press? He wants to control the message, anything that holds him to account is obviously seen as an enemy by him.

Also $2.6 million seems like a lot, however compare that to the $3.4 million dollars Trump charged to the taxpayer for his Secret Service every time he stayed at his own Mar-A-Lago resort; couple this with the additional over time costs for the palm beach country police which is apparently running at over $45 million

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...on/ar-AA1ykSQi
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/05/69168...ayers-millions

I love how there is no longer even any sane argument put forward - just the magic word "woke". Against fossil fuels destroying the environment = woke, against racism = woke, against homophobia = woke, pro environmental regulations = woke, think trans people are deserving of rights = woke, think people with disability deserve to work and basic dignity = woke, think women deserve some control of their own healthcare = woke.

But hey, if a youtube video or two makes you feel comfortable in your racist, homophobic, misogynistic hate filled life - then you carry on being what you are.

[wes4dbt]

If Musk is not protesting that his interests are been allegedly hit then...

Why would he? This is a good thing for Tesla. It means people will have to use their charging stations. Public charging stations would cut into their business.

[wes4dbt]

Have you ever considered that random youtube videos are not a source of truth? You seem to love psoting utter nonsense from youtube as if somehow it is a convincing argument for whatever drivel you think is relevant...

Dil has no other place to go to affirm his beliefs. It's not nonsense or drivel to him, he believes these things.

I love how there is no longer even any sane argument put forward - just the magic word "woke". against fossil fuels destroying the environment = woke, against racism = woke, against homophobia = woke, pro environmental regulations = woke, think trans people are deserving of rights = woke, thing people with disability deserve to work and basic dignity = woke, think women deserve some control of their own healthcare = woke

If that's what woke is then I'm going to just keep on woking.

[TysonLPrice]

Have you ever considered that random youtube videos are not a source of truth? You seem to love posting utter nonsense from youtube as if somehow it is a convincing argument for whatever drivel you think is relevant...

Firstly, USAID didn't fund the BBC, the BBC is funded by licence payers in the UK.

BBC has a charity called Media Action, this is an international charity supporting free media around the world - it is NOT the BBC. The USA donated $2.6 million dollars to this charity, which made it the second largest donor, so this will impact the charity.

Couple of other points however... Have you considered how a person like Trump, who is quite frankly completely dishonest and lies about everything, might somehow not be a fan of the free press? He wants to control the message, anything that holds him to account is obviously seen as an enemy by him.

Also $2.6 million seems like a lot, however compare that to the $3.4 million dollars Trump charged to the taxpayer for his Secret Service every time he stayed at his own Mar-A-Lago resort; couple this with the additional over time costs for the palm beach country police which is apparently running at over $45 million

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...on/ar-AA1ykSQi
https://www.npr.org/2019/02/05/69168...ayers-millions

I love how there is no longer even any sane argument put forward - just the magic word "woke". Against fossil fuels destroying the environment = woke, against racism = woke, against homophobia = woke, pro environmental regulations = woke, think trans people are deserving of rights = woke, think people with disability deserve to work and basic dignity = woke, think women deserve some control of their own healthcare = woke.

But hey, if a youtube video or two makes you feel comfortable in your racist, homophobic, misogynistic hate filled life - then you carry on being what you are.

It is as simple as to not feed the trolls when they post nonsense. Acknowledge the good stuff.

[Niya]

Out of interest I would love to know what you think of his handling of the recent tragedy involving the aircraft and a military helicopter.

Would you describe his lack of empathy, or even a basic attempt to be dignified, as being courageous and tenacious?

Do you honestly think he is doing the right thing by spouting lies about DEI being responsible for the crash?

You're being very disingenuous here PD. These questions are loaded. You could have simply asked what I thought about Trump's handling of this disaster without colouring them with your own anti-Trump prejudices. I mean do you really expect me to answer these in good faith?

Some of you need to face the fact that a lot of people like Trump and think the things he is doing is good. It's fine if you disagree but when you "reach across the isle" for dialog with such loaded rhetoric it helps no one and only serves to further hostility between people on both sides.

I'd never ask any of you guys a question, "What do you think of Trump's courageous actions on the day of the assassination attempt?" This question is loaded with the implicit assumption that the Trump hater it's directed towards thinks Trump is courageous which is extremely dishonest since we know that the anti-Trump people do not think this. It's almost disrespectful.

[Niya]

It must be nice when you selectively ignore news:

'These Are Some Of The Insane Priorities' USAID Has Funded: Karoline Leavitt

Twitter has been ablaze with this USAID stuff. The most shocking thing I've seen is that the few people defending this are not upset about the corruption itself but that it's being exposed. Let that sink in. The people defending this are not mad about finding out that the previous administration has been wasting tax payer's money on nonsense, they are mad about it being exposed. I find that so wild.

[wes4dbt]

I mean do you really expect me to answer these in good faith?

No. But that's normal for you, don't blame PD.

You could have simply asked what I thought about Trump's handling of this disaster without colouring them with your own anti-Trump prejudices

Considering your constant anti-left rhetoric complete with name calling, your asking for courteousness that you lack. So what do you expect.

[wes4dbt]

Some of you need to face the fact that a lot of people like Trump and think the things he is doing is good.

This has never been in question. So is that statement "in good faith"?

What's in question is if the things he's doing "are good".

[Niya]

Considering your constant anti-left rhetoric complete with name calling, your asking for courteousness that you lack. So what do you expect.

If I did that, I only mirror your behavior. I expect that kind of thing from you or Tyson, not PD. He always struck me as a more reasonable person.

What's in question is if the things he's doing "are good".

Most of what he is doing is good.

[Niya]

name calling

Also, if you're going to make an accusation like that, please tell me where in this thread did I call you or anybody any names?