Post election prediction

[TysonLPrice]

Have you ever found yourself having to explain that you didn't give a Nazi salute? No? Let's widen the question. Would any member of this forum like to cite a time when they had to explain that they hadn't just given a Nazi salute? No? Let's widen further. Can you cite me a single example from the last 50 years of a political figure, who wasn't an actual Neo Nazi, having to explain that they hadn't just given a Nazi salute? No?

Do you know why Musk has found himself in that position when literally no non Neo Nazi finds themselves in that position? And do you know why he felt the need to edit the salute out when posting footage to Twitter? It's because Musk gave a Nazi salute. And by pretending he didn't you are acting as a Neo Nazi apologist.

The thing is, some of us really do hate Neo Nazis. For some of us it's not just a performative throw away we trot when we it's convenient to our argument.

Another piece for your argument, he edited it out of the post on X. Seems odd if it was innocent.

[wes4dbt]

Fascism is a far-right political ideology that emphasizes nationalism and authoritarianism, while Nazism is a form of fascism that also emphasizes racial ideology and genocide.

I'd say Musk is closer to being a fascist than a Nazi. Though mainly an authoritarian. The only nationalism he has is how much money can he make off our country.

I've never seen anything that would suggest he believes in genocide. I'll admit I don't follow Musk that closely.

The gesture was a very bad, it was completely inappropriate. But I'm not going to call him a Nazi over that one stupid act.

If he repeats it or other acts of Nazism surface, then my opinion could change quickly.

Edit:

I just saw this in the news, Musk's post on X

Don’t say Hess to Nazi accusations!

Some people will Goebbels anything down!

Stop G?ring your enemies!

His pronouns would’ve been He/Himmler!

Bet you did nazi that coming ?

That's in poor taste, at the least.

[jpbro]

[wes4dbt]

That's pretty funny.

[sapator]

That, I'm at loss a little.
Trump will declassify all the JFK documents.
What is the big picture here?

[DrBobby]

That, I'm at loss a little.
Trump will declassify all the JFK documents.
What is the big picture here?

The JFK assassination is a really popular topic for conspiracy theories here. Particularly strong with his base / the very far right. Not sure what people are hoping to find there tho. The conspiracy theories fall apart under even the most basic of scrutiny.

[Shaggy Hiker]

That may not be a thing of any sort. JFK was shot in 63. There's a 'fifty year rule' for documents, but it's kind of a minimum rule, since the archivist can extend the time period longer at what appears to be their discretion. Since 50 years would have been up in 2013, it would seem that this is a bit late, but there are plenty of viable reasons why that might be the case, including, "so what?"

Basically, most of the documents are probably released already, some would be related to LBJ, and therefore could have been sealed longer, while others might be sealed longer for other reasons. Still more might be due to the archivist not getting around to what amounts to fifty year old documents of little interest.

The reason to release them is clear, as DrBobby stated.

[sapator]

What the heck does the far right have to do with it?
If it turns out that the mafia hired a hitman what will be the benefit or any party?

[DrBobby]

The relation to the far right is they are more likely to believe in conspiracy theories than someone who is more towards the center. The whole JFK thing is popular in conspiracy theory groups. If Trump wanted to appease a large section of his base releasing these files would do so.

Imho the only gain for a party here is making your voters happy.

[wes4dbt]

I was curious if anyone knew how this works.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...y?id=118065503

I mean, you can't just show up in another country and dump a bunch of people off. I know we deport people on a daily basis but I thought it was probably done with the other countries approval.

What if the other country says, no??? I could see that happening if the volume gets excessive.

Edit:

Well, that didn't take long. Mexico just said no.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americ...ay-2025-01-25/

[wes4dbt]

Columbia has also refused deportation flights.

Trump slapped a 25% emergency tariffs on them. Trump has been swinging the tariffs threat around like Thor's hammer a lot lately. It seemed to scare some countries but what the end result is going to be is the big question. I don't know if Trump is going to completely wreck our economy or improve it.

[TysonLPrice]

Columbia has also refused deportation flights.

Trump slapped a 25% emergency tariffs on them. Trump has been swinging the tariffs threat around like Thor's hammer a lot lately. It seemed to scare some countries but what the end result is going to be is the big question. I don't know if Trump is going to completely wreck our economy or improve it.

To think Trump is going to do anything good is looking through rose colored glasses. Columbia folded like a cheap suit.

[wes4dbt]

To think Trump is going to do anything good is looking through rose colored glasses. Columbia folded like a cheap suit.

If other countries cave in like Columbia then the US could see a benefit. I'd say the big test will be how well the US and China play together. Major tariffs on China would certainly hit Americans in the pocket book.

As for the deportations, we'll have to wait and see what happens. So far there there hasn't been that many but it does look like they're gearing up for large scale deportations.

[sapator]

You gonna stuck them all in the university?

Colombia will not cave because Trump cannot do anything good , neither El salvador it's all right wing propaganda.
I would be asking if your against or pro deportation but after the recent answers I'll probably read something in the lines of right wing, Conman, half the people in US that voted are idiots, so let's pretend that this did not happen.

[wes4dbt]

Colombia will not cave because Trump cannot do anything good

They already did.

I would be asking if your against or pro deportation but after the recent answers I'll probably read something in the lines of right wing, Conman, half the people in US that voted are idiots, so let's pretend that this did not happen.

You bring up a question and in the same sentence say lets pretend I didn't bring it up. OK, easy enough but why did you even bring it up? Just wanted to post something???

[sapator]

First, I've been sarcastic on the first one
Second, the inspiration was from the JFK posts. Marvelous post, next some might ask why the sky is blue and somehow the conversation will go to the right wing lunatics.
So guess I'll posting news as before, if anything serious comes up, so yeah... Goodnight.

[sapator]

Trump takes aim at DEI, COVID expulsions and transgender troops

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-ord...141940638.html

[sapator]

People final awake from the mafia that is the government and demand justice for the train wreck 2 years ago that proved to carry dangerous chemicals (that burned the people) and not beers as some where claiming.
The people demand justice and traitors cannot hide anymore. They try to manipulate justice system but after this I hope the judges gonna judge and not be collaborators to the crime.
This is from Athens main square , all major cities in Greece and people abroad did the same.

[Niya]

Trump takes aim at DEI, COVID expulsions and transgender troops

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-ord...141940638.html

Yea, I've been following these stories and more on Twitter. My impression over there is that he has overwhelming support for the things he is doing and plans to do. Despite what his haters say, I think Trump will be one of the best Presidents in American history. Personally, I am very impressed by his courage and abundance of tenacity. He hits everything head on and doesn't give up. I love seeing leaders like this. There are so few of them left in today's world.

[sapator]

What I think motivated him was the death attempts. That would either piussy down a man or make him try harder. Also I think Trump at this age has nothing to lose. He will either die as a hero or live long enough to see himself become the villain (too many movie puns today, what did I ate? )

[PlausiblyDamp]

What I think motivated him was the death attempts. That would either piussy down a man or make him try harder. Also I think Trump at this age has nothing to lose. He will either die as a hero or live long enough to see himself become the villain (too many movie puns today, what did I ate? )

I think the only thing that has ever motivated him is one thing, and that is personal gain and gratification regardless of who has to suffer.

Look at pretty much his entire business career and relationships - the 34 fraud convictions, Trump University, delaying / refusing to pay bills, tax fraud, attitude to sex (convicted sex offender, comments about grabbing women by the p***y etc, cheating on his first wife, highly likely to have cheated at least twice with his current wife), charging the secret service to use Mar-A-Lago, denial of losing the election and the subsequent Jan 6th invasion of the Capitol, pardoning all the Jan 6th criminals (including the ones who had assaulted the police).

He is driven by personal gain and revenge, pure and simple.

[PlausiblyDamp]

Yea, I've been following these stories and more on Twitter. My impression over there is that he has overwhelming support for the things he is doing and plans to do. Despite what his haters say, I think Trump will be one of the best Presidents in American history. Personally, I am very impressed by his courage and abundance of tenacity. He hits everything head on and doesn't give up. I love seeing leaders like this. There are so few of them left in today's world.

The problem with him rolling back the DEI initiatives is that it will result in a system where you can be refused a job because you are female, or black, or based on your religion, or disabled, if a company now decides to only hire straight white males (even if they aren't the best qualified) there will be little to no legal recourse.

Trump has a long history of racist and misogynistic behaviour, he is just removing the legal protection for people he doesn't like. You can see this is working as the KKK are now distributing leaflets in parts of America.

[sapator]

I think he is just trying to get rid of the Wokers. Not start a racial war. But will see.
You are a little biased against trump. Biden pardon was just? But as I've said, pat pat, won't get to fights.
Just a note tho. In Greece assaulting the police and I mean assault like punch or throw a rock won't justify jail time. I don't know why things are so strict in US that you get jail time.

[PlausiblyDamp]

I think he is just trying to get rid of the Wokers. Not start a racial war. But will see.
You are a little biased against trump. Biden pardon was just? But as I've said, pat pat, won't get to fights.
Just a note tho. In Greece assaulting the police and I mean assault like punch or throw a rock won't justify jail time. I don't know why things are so strict in US that you get jail time.

The problem with defining everyone who feels people deserver compassion and legal protection as "Wokers" is that it becomes a blanket term. If you don't think transgender people deserve support and the ability to have a military career lets change the law to prevent that, and also allow women to be removed from job roles, and people of colour to be removed etc.

This is the same thinking that resulted in an EO that effectively defined all Americans as female by defining your sex at the point of conception as either Male or Female (despite the terms used not typically being evident until 6 or 7 weeks into pregnancy) and also completely disregards the possibility of someone being Intersex.

I am not a little biased against Trump, I am incredible biased against Trump - I fail to comprehend how anyone can see a convicted felon, convicted sex offender, tax cheat, adulterer, vindictive, utterly disloyal, serial liar, and self centred person and think he will do anything for the country that doesn't benefit himself.

It took hours before all his promises about bringing down the cost of living etc. went out the window and instead he is more interested in trying to claim Greenland, Canada, and the Panama Canal. He disowned Project 2025 and the moment he was in power he started to implement it. HE flat out cannot be trusted in anything he says. I am under no illusion that politicians tell lies, but the sheer volume of untruths he passes off is utterly beyond belief.

[sapator]

So far I'm pro on what he is doing as it seems that as a result our current traitors here will fall from the government.

As to all you concerns...Pat, pat. There nothing to be done now, it seems that people that voted want this, so just sit back and enjoy.

[wes4dbt]

My impression over there is that he has overwhelming support for the things he is doing and plans to do.

I don't know if it because of where you get your news or just your personal bias, that is a not true. Not even close to being true.

[wes4dbt]

In Greece assaulting the police and I mean assault like punch or throw a rock won't justify jail time.

That disturbing. Actually hard to believe someone assaulting a police officer wouldn't be arrested. Strange.

[sapator]

In theory they will be arrested, in practice, it depends on the attack.
I was not talking about arrest tho, I was talking about jail time. They won't go to jail for a punch. Does this really seems strange?

[wes4dbt]

In theory they will be arrested, in practice, it depends on the attack.
I was not talking about arrest tho, I was talking about jail time. They won't go to jail for a punch. Does this really seems strange?

They just arrest them and then let them go? Why bother.

[Niya]

I don't know if it because of where you get your news or just your personal bias, that is a not true. Not even close to being true.

Stop watching CNN.

[wes4dbt]

Stop watching CNN.

I live here, I don't have to watch anything.

I've stated it before, I watch very little news on TV. I read and CNN isn't a source a read very often.

There has been push back on several OE from both Rep's and Dem's. So much so that Trump had to rescind the freeze on federal funds.

[Shaggy Hiker]

Yea, I've been following these stories and more on Twitter. My impression over there is that he has overwhelming support for the things he is doing and plans to do. Despite what his haters say, I think Trump will be one of the best Presidents in American history. Personally, I am very impressed by his courage and abundance of tenacity. He hits everything head on and doesn't give up. I love seeing leaders like this. There are so few of them left in today's world.

That's because you only read what supports you. If you do a search and ignore everything that doesn't support your view, then you'd be right. This site WAS quite reliable at aggregating polls:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com.../donald-trump/

I say that it WAS because it was, but I believe the founder has left and I don't know whether or not that changed anything. It's still aggregating polls, and appears to agree with other polls like Reuters/Ipsos, as reported in The Guardian, which I don't follow.

The point from the fivethirtyeight is that he got above 50% approval back before his term started, but then fell back to where it was in his first term. He's the only president since approval ratings were first tracked (which was a surprisingly long time ago) who has never had a positive approval rating.

The other thing to note is that his approval rating is sinking. Lots of his moves have been unpopular. In the US, unpopular moves seem to move the needle down more than popular moves raise the needle. I would speculate that this is because the country is so very polarized. Every action, including no action at all, has winners and losers. If half the population is predisposed to dislike somebody, as is the case in the evenly divided US, then an action that supporters dislike is going to weigh more heavily than an action that supporters DO like will buoy.

[Shaggy Hiker]

I think the only thing that has ever motivated him is one thing, and that is personal gain and gratification regardless of who has to suffer.

Look at pretty much his entire business career and relationships - the 34 fraud convictions, Trump University, delaying / refusing to pay bills, tax fraud, attitude to sex (convicted sex offender, comments about grabbing women by the p***y etc, cheating on his first wife, highly likely to have cheated at least twice with his current wife), charging the secret service to use Mar-A-Lago, denial of losing the election and the subsequent Jan 6th invasion of the Capitol, pardoning all the Jan 6th criminals (including the ones who had assaulted the police).

He is driven by personal gain and revenge, pure and simple.

You left out a wife. He's cheated on all three of them.

[Shaggy Hiker]

In theory they will be arrested, in practice, it depends on the attack.
I was not talking about arrest tho, I was talking about jail time. They won't go to jail for a punch. Does this really seems strange?

Yes, it does, and that's probably pretty telling...about the US.

If you punch a guy in a bar fight, you might get arrested or you might not. In fact, it might end up being a police matter and it might not. I would guess that it rarely does in small towns where everybody knows everybody it might be different. The policeman would know both people in the fight, and often their parents, so the outcome has to do with those relationships. That would be VERY small towns, though. Kind of the Mayberry situation.

For everything else, the police in the US are pretty defensive. Quite often, that is understandable. We are, by far, the most heavily armed nation in the world, and an unusually violent one. We don't think of ourselves that way, you just have to look at how we compare to other developed countries, where we top a lot of lists. The police are trained to be rather on edge. Add in a variety of other factors and it's a fairly combustible mix.

[sapator]

Jail seems excessive for a punch tho. Maybe a fine or a restriction of distance if it's between 2 non police persons.

[Niya]

Dilettante might appreciate this:-


I've been seeing this sentiment more and more on social media. It seems the Democrats are bleeding support more and more as time goes along.

[sapator]

To be fair Democrat are not really Democrats now. They are Woke loons. But some might vote by habit (when I waasss younngg I sawww Keeneedy and he was a handsomm felloww...Heey you kids get of my lawn!!).

[Niya]

That's because you only read what supports you. If you do a search and ignore everything that doesn't support your view, then you'd be right. This site WAS quite reliable at aggregating polls:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com.../donald-trump/

I say that it WAS because it was, but I believe the founder has left and I don't know whether or not that changed anything. It's still aggregating polls, and appears to agree with other polls like Reuters/Ipsos, as reported in The Guardian, which I don't follow.

The point from the fivethirtyeight is that he got above 50% approval back before his term started, but then fell back to where it was in his first term. He's the only president since approval ratings were first tracked (which was a surprisingly long time ago) who has never had a positive approval rating.

The other thing to note is that his approval rating is sinking. Lots of his moves have been unpopular. In the US, unpopular moves seem to move the needle down more than popular moves raise the needle. I would speculate that this is because the country is so very polarized. Every action, including no action at all, has winners and losers. If half the population is predisposed to dislike somebody, as is the case in the evenly divided US, then an action that supporters dislike is going to weigh more heavily than an action that supporters DO like will buoy.

I do not put my stock in polls and statistics when it comes to politics. It might sound strange coming from a programmer seeing as a lot of what we do is data crunching. Polls and stats are good when you want to know how much money your business is making but when partisanship is thrown into the mix, I stop paying attention, even more so when you mention outlets like The Guardian and Reuters. I will outright dismiss anything they say about politics because they are sworn to the progressive agenda which holds no appeal for me.

A lot of these same polls said Kamala would win and that proved to be false. The way I approach this is simply to watch what is happening on social media. I take the pulse of the culture directly from the people. What are they saying? What topics are trending? What do they hate? What do they like? Based on this I was about 90% certain Trump would win and I turned out to be correct. I would rather trust my methods than the polls of these progressive outlets whole sole purpose is to push liberal Marxist propaganda.

[Shaggy Hiker]

In short: You choose clearly biased sources over any attempt to get something unbiased.

Yeah, that's an insanely self-serving position.

[Niya]

In short: You choose clearly biased sources over any attempt to get something unbiased.

Yeah, that's an insanely self-serving position.

Unbiased sources? Like what exactly? The Guardian? Did you not read what I said?

even more so when you mention outlets like The Guardian and Reuters. I will outright dismiss anything they say about politics because they are sworn to the progressive agenda which holds no appeal for me.

I would rather trust my methods than the polls of these progressive outlets whose sole purpose is to push liberal Marxist propaganda.